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[711]

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...fter-tata-steel-its-time-to-ask-a6961891.html

Looks like most British companies aren't British by ownership.
Manchester United comes to mind, of course.

 

[SirHenryPercy]

May chooses the Andrew Marr show to announce that article 50 will definitely be triggered before April.

Interesting choice.

 

[elnorte]

May's announcement.

So fecking bleak.

 

[SirHenryPercy]

May's announcement.

So fecking bleak.

I find it quite extraordinary that she can make such a huge announcement with such indifference at such an inappropriate time and place.

Just another sign of just how out of touch with reality she is.

 

[Stanley Road]

At least we now know, couldn't care less if she'd announced it via text message.

So the forecasted famine and plague can begin next spring, ace

 

[devilish]

I doubt it will take the EU lot of time to tell Westminster good riddance and the best of luck wouldn't they?

 

[elnorte]

At least we now know, couldn't care less if she'd announced it via text message.

So the forecasted famine and plague can begin next spring, ace

That's being forecast already and has been for quite some time to be fair.

Either way it's another step in entirely the worst possible direction.

 

[sun_tzu]

Theoretically leave 2019
So the 2020 election will become a defecto referendum on if people are happy with the settlement terms
I personally think the sensible move on her part would have been a snap election outlining negotiation stance to give her a mandate for it

 

[SirHenryPercy]

Theoretically leave 2019
So the 2020 election will become a defecto referendum on if people are happy with the settlement terms
I personally think the sensible move on her part would have been a snap election outlining negotiation stance to give her a mandate for it

Logic has no place with these people.

 

[devilish]

Jeremy hunt had suggested replacing eu doctors with British ones. Good luck convincing young brillant people to join a proffesion where the salary is relatively crap and the work rights are constantly eroding

 

[AshfordLad]

Theoretically leave 2019
So the 2020 election will become a defecto referendum on if people are happy with the settlement terms
I personally think the sensible move on her part would have been a snap election outlining negotiation stance to give her a mandate for it

Logic has no place with these people.

The british electorate can not be trusted at this time, not one bit.

 

[elnorte]

Personally I wouldn't like to see the result of a general election reflect any further 'mandate' for departure from the EU. In fact I'd like entirely the opposite.

 

[sun_tzu]

Personally I wouldn't like to see the result of a general election reflect any further 'mandate' for departure from the EU. In fact I'd like entirely the opposite.

Likewise... but being pragmatic if I was in mays position I'd tap in the open goal of a snap election against corbyn (and probably an increased majority)

 

[Untied]

She's also committed to hard Brexit

 

[devilish]

She's also committed to hard Brexit

She had no choice. The eu seemed determined not to allow any cherry picking

 

[Don't Kill Bill]

The substance of what will happen is still no clearer but as expected the remoaners see doom and gloom in every nuance even though a few pages ago they thought the UK would never dare trigger A50 because blah blah blah and now the govt says it will do so before the end of March 2017. I'm beginning to think voting remain might be the thing I am most ashamed of doing when I die.

 

[Will Absolute]

She had no choice. The eu seemed determined not to allow any cherry picking

She had plenty of choice.

But she's made her position clear. Her intention is to restore Britain to its former status as a fully independent, sovereign state. Britain will take back control of its borders, decide matters of immigration for itself, and repudiate the jurisdiction of the European court of justice. A trade deal with the EU will be constructed on that foundation.

 

[Untied]

The substance of what will happen is still no clearer but as expected the remoaners see doom and gloom in every nuance even though a few pages ago they thought the UK would never dare trigger A50 because blah blah blah and now the govt says it will do so before the end of March 2017. I'm beginning to think voting remain might be the thing I am most ashamed of doing when I die.

The thing we will all be ashamed of looking back is that we spent so much time and energy on leaving the EU rather than tackling climate change.

 

[711]

The substance of what will happen is still no clearer but as expected the remoaners see doom and gloom in every nuance even though a few pages ago they thought the UK would never dare trigger A50 because blah blah blah and now the govt says it will do so before the end of March 2017. I'm beginning to think voting remain might be the thing I am most ashamed of doing when I die.

You need to get out a bit more then.

 

[elnorte]

She had plenty of choice.

But she's made her position clear. Her intention is to restore Britain to its former status as a fully independent, sovereign state. Britain will take back control of its borders, decide matters of immigration for itself, and repudiate the jurisdiction of the European court of justice. A trade deal with the EU will be constructed on that foundation.

Are you secretly one of her aides?

 

[Massive Spanner]

Well done, Britain. You're fecked.

 

[devilish]

She had plenty of choice.

But she's made her position clear. Her intention is to restore Britain to its former status as a fully independent, sovereign state. Britain will take back control of its borders, decide matters of immigration for itself, and repudiate the jurisdiction of the European court of justice. A trade deal with the EU will be constructed on that foundation.

I disagree

She must tackle immigration else she will have a revolt in her hands and the EU will simply not offer her unrestricted access to the single market without the UK accepting freedom of movement. Don't forget that she's a remainer and her 'Brexiters' are most people who backed Brexit not because they believed in it but because they wanted to further weaken Cameron. Tories love money so if they could get a chance to remain in the single market they would

I doubt the EU will offer the UK anything but an ineffective trade deal similar to the one given to the likes of Iceland. The EU very survival lie on Brexit not being a successful story and honestly they don't like the UK very much either

 

[elnorte]

The substance of what will happen is still no clearer but as expected the remoaners see doom and gloom in every nuance even though a few pages ago they thought the UK would never dare trigger A50 because blah blah blah and now the govt says it will do so before the end of March 2017. I'm beginning to think voting remain might be the thing I am most ashamed of doing when I die.

Well all I can say is that if somehow someway there is a second EU Referendum of some form please for the love of christ don't vote.

 

[Don't Kill Bill]

You need to get out a bit more then.

OK, there was that time in 1985 in the Limit club in Sheffield ,Thursday night was nurses night and nurses make it better. What can I say I was young man!

 

[Don't Kill Bill]

Well all I can say is that if somehow someway there is a second EU Referendum of some form please for the love of christ don't vote.

I don't think there is going to be one,

I'm an atheist and I always vote, so you lucked out I'm afraid.

 

[Adisa]

She had plenty of choice.

But she's made her position clear. Her intention is to restore Britain to its former status as a fully independent, sovereign state. Britain will take back control of its borders, decide matters of immigration for itself, and repudiate the jurisdiction of the European court of justice. A trade deal with the EU will be constructed on that foundation.

Must be a member of her cabinet.

 

[JPRouve]

The border control stories are perplexing. No one lost it which is why the UK have been able to create a virtual border on french soil.

 

[Adisa]

How popular is leaving the single market among Tory MPs? I was of the opinion most were against it. Think she's just come to the conclusion that, not getting "control" of migration is politically impossible.
IDS, was on Sky this morning, hinting that they have given up trying to negotiate on the issue of free movement with the EU. But Davies is still in fantasy land.

 

[Cheesy]

How popular is leaving the single market among Tory MPs? I was of the opinion most were against it. Think she's just come to the conclusion that, not getting "control" of migration is politically impossible.
IDS, was on Sky this morning, hinting that they have given up trying to negotiate on the issue of free movement with the EU. But Davies is still in fantasy land.

I'm not really sure. Ideally I think they'd want border control and single market, but it seems like a lot will compromise the latter for the former. The doubt though is whether that's for ideological reasons or for appeasing voters.

 

[Untied]

So what is our leverage for maintaining passporting?

 

[Paul the Wolf]

The border control stories are perplexing. No one lost it which is why the UK have been able to create a virtual border on french soil.

Shhh, another smokescreen about to be exposed.
Government had promised to get the nett immigration below 100,000 per annum forgetting that 188000 come from outside the EU and assuming that no-one immigrates from EU countries after the UK have left. Also don't mention the expat British pensioners flooding back to the UK.
France moving the jungle from Calais to Dover should be interesting

 

[Red Defence]

How popular is leaving the single market among Tory MPs? I was of the opinion most were against it. Think she's just come to the conclusion that, not getting "control" of migration is politically impossible.
IDS, was on Sky this morning, hinting that they have given up trying to negotiate on the issue of free movement with the EU. But Davies is still in fantasy land.

We're still looking to access the single market, in the same way that the rest of the world can access it, just not be an actual member of it.

 

[devilish]

We're still looking to access the single market, in the same way that the rest of the world can access it, just not be an actual member of it.

The rest of the world doesn't have unrestricted access to the single market. Some do have trade deals who give them limited preferences in it over the rest of the world. There again none of them had turned their back to Europe in its time of weakness either

 

[JPRouve]

Shhh, another smokescreen about to be exposed.
Government had promised to get the nett immigration below 100,000 per annum forgetting that 188000 come from outside the EU and assuming that no-one immigrates from EU countries after the UK have left. Also don't mention the expat British pensioners flooding back to the UK.
France moving the jungle from Calais to Dover should be interesting

Even the countries member of Schengen have total control of their borders and control of the immigration, but adding more controls kind of defies the idea of Schengen which is to fluidify commerce between countries and movement of the working force.

 

[Red Defence]

The rest of the world doesn't have unrestricted access to the single market. Some do have trade deals who give them limited preferences in it over the rest of the world. There again none of them had turned their back to Europe in its time of weakness either

Didn't say they did have unrestricted access. We will be given the access we need because the EU cannot afford to lose the business. Neither can they afford to make thousands of workers unnecessarily redundant.

Atm we are the second largest donor to the EU coffers and they will need to make an extra effort in trading to even slightly make up some of the money they will lose from us. Within the next year or two they will have financial troubles and they know it, so keeping up trade with us will be deemed a necessity not a favour.

 

[devilish]

Didn't say they did have unrestricted access. We will be given the access we need because the EU cannot afford to lose the business. Neither can they afford to make thousands of workers unnecessarily redundant.

Atm we are the second largest donor to the EU coffers and they will need to make an extra effort in trading to even slightly make up some of the money they will lose from us. Within the next year or two they will have financial troubles and they know it, so keeping up trade with us will be deemed a necessity not a favour.

The EU is not a third world continent. It can afford losing the UK and I think its the case considering

a- none of them have moved one cm from the official stance (no preliminary talks, no unrestricted access to the single market without freedom of movement etc)

b- The very existence of the EU lie on not allowing the UK to have a good Brexit, else they risk a contagion.



Also I wonder if any country can lose business with an entire continent though, especially the one sitting pretty close to.

It only take one veto to put any potential deal up in the air. No wonder why I feel the UK are being forced for Hard Brexit

 

[JPRouve]

Didn't say they did have unrestricted access. We will be given the access we need because the EU cannot afford to lose the business. Neither can they afford to make thousands of workers unnecessarily redundant.

Atm we are the second largest donor to the EU coffers and they will need to make an extra effort in trading to even slightly make up some of the money they will lose from us. Within the next year or two they will have financial troubles and they know it, so keeping up trade with us will be deemed a necessity not a favour.

Aren't you third and closer to Italy than you are to France?

 

[Red Defence]

o

The EU is not a third world continent. It can afford losing the UK and I think its the case considering

a- none of them have moved one mm from the official stance (no preliminary talks, no unrestricted access to the single market without freedom of movement etc)

b- The very existence of the EU lie on not allowing the UK to have a good Brexit, else they risk a contagion.

I wonder if any country can lose business with an entire continent though, especially the one sitting pretty close to.

The UK will be fine. The EU won't be fine though. The Euro will collapse within a year or two and the EU will suffer with that. If they decide to play the sore loser game with the UK then they will suffer even more.

One thing I'm confused about though is why if the EU is such a wonderful "club" to be in would they be worried about other countries leaving? Why would other countries even want to leave?

 

[Red Defence]

Aren't you third and closer to Italy than you are to France?

Possibly. But if you look at what we give and what we receive back then we are the second largest donor.

 

[JPRouve]

oThe UK will be fine. The EU won't be fine though. The Euro will collapse within a year or two and the EU will suffer with that. If they decide to play the sore loser game with the UK then they will suffer even more.

One thing I'm confused about though is why if the EU is such a wonderful "club" to be in would they be worried about other countries leaving? Why would other countries even want to leave?

There is no particular fear of anyone leaving or any sort of fear of a collapse either. The EU lost nothing so the sore loser talk is silly too, the only problem is to find a deal that is balanced and give something to both parts, and from what I have read the british are unwilling to accept that and think that anything that isn't completely in their favor is a sanction from the EU.

Basically if you want to leave and have no special relationship it's fine, we will use the international tarrif rate, if you want at special relationship we will have to give you something and you will do the same. But what both parts will give depends on what both parts want.