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FireballXL5 said:
They were warned that all this shit would happen.

Charities and employers struggling due to post-Brexit funding delays

Some voluntary groups have closed and farmers report problems after slow disbursal of UK funds to replace EU money

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-struggling-due-to-post-brexit-funding-delays

And so it goes on...

UK traders on Brexit: ‘It’s increased paperwork, stress, everything’

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...xit-its-increased-paperwork-stress-everything
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All of these links are from the Guardian though, which is preaching to the converted. The gripes aren't making into the right wing media yet or they're just being blamed on EU intransigence or whatever.
We're still years away from a mass realisation, let alone admission, that Brexit was shit.
 
Maticmaker said:
Ask Keir Starmer, he seems to think they can be persuaded, suppose its a bit like the wee lassie up in Edinburgh who thinks she's going to get another referendum... both travelling in hope more than expectation!
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That wee lassie is our First Minister. If you're going to keep up your contempt for Scottish politics then I suggest you feck off.
 
Frosty said:
I fully expect Labour to support the Bill at this rate. Ah the joys of not having enumerated rights and a codified constitution.

Equal pay can be removed by a historically unpopular government without any real opposition.
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I think it's coming to be honest.

The only way any form of industry can come back to the UK is if they abolish the minimum wage and equal pay, and as it stands it's becoming too expensive and difficult to import everything due to shitty trade deals and lack of foreign labour doing the shitty jobs or driving lorries.

Something has to give and you can guarantee it's the option that fecks people the most, but I'm sure this is what people wanted when they voted for Brexit right?
 
4bars said:
Omnious

Even


Questions (if you dont mind):

Were you independentist 10 years ago? If not

Are you now?

You dont need to ask if you dont feel like
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Not really, ten years ago or now, although poor representation from Westminster over the last decade and arseholes who belittle my country make me feel less and less welcome in this union as time goes on.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Not really, ten years ago or now, although poor representation from Westminster over the last decade and arseholes who belittle my country make me feel less and less welcome in this union as time goes on.
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Thanks
 
Mr Pigeon said:
That wee lassie is our First Minister. If you're going to keep up your contempt for Scottish politics then I suggest you feck off.
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:lol:.. so you know who I meant then?
Think my grandson (also a Scot) would probably agree with you, most of our arguments are over politics, wait till I show him your reply he will be ecstatic ;)
 
Maticmaker said:
:lol:.. so you know who I meant then?
Think my grandson (also a Scot) would probably agree with you, most of our arguments are over politics, wait till I show him your reply he will be ecstatic ;)
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I'm surprised anyone talks to you in real life if I'm honest. Must be a small group.
 
Is there any transitional agreements that were about to last only till the end of 2022? (Brexit related)
 
To commemorate the second anniversary of the UK leaving the transition period, a Brexit anthem has been written which should be sung the tune of Cat Stevens' Morning has Broken:

Britain is broken, Brexit's appalling,
Racists have spoken, they've taken control,
Praise for the whingeing, praise for the moaning,
Praise for them sinking from the first world.

Grim the new uplands, sunlit they did sell,
To all the dumb fools, another lie they did tell,
One born every minute, no escape from this hell,
Hope has been shattered, this will not end well.
 
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Surely the whole point of a democracy is the chance for people to reconsider or for future generations to make up their own minds. Why not have a referendum on rejoining?

The EU would probably, despite playing hardball, want the U.K. to come back if only to show to others that leaving is something nations end up regretting.
 
AlPistacho said:
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Surely the whole point of a democracy is the chance for people to reconsider or for future generations to make up their own minds. Why not have a referendum on rejoining?

The EU would probably, despite playing hardball, want the U.K. to come back if only to show to others that leaving is something nations end up regretting.
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This kind of points seem to generally ignore two key points. The terms of the rejoining agreement and that we are talking about multilateral agreements that affect the other sides politically, legally and economically. Stability is generally the preferred option and the concept of leaving or rejoining on a whim is extremely problematic.
 
JPRouve said:
This kind of points seem to generally ignore two key points. The terms of the rejoining agreement and that we are talking about multilateral agreements that affect the other sides politically, legally and economically. Stability is generally the preferred option and the concept of leaving or rejoining on a whim is extremely problematic.
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I understand your point. And it is true that nations leaving and rejoining every decade destroys the credibility of the EU. Although as an exception, and to counter Euro skeptic groups that are gaining popularity in many parts of Europe, it might be in the EU’s long term interest to allow it. Obviously they will play hardball and rightly so, the benefits are more clearly for the U.K, but to have the first ever leave nation come back begging to join does send a message to other European nations who might be having a “leave” feeling.

If ever there is a referendum in another nation, what argument can beat “The U.K., once a better economy than our own left, it’s economy shrunk, things became so bad they rejoined”
 
AlPistacho said:
https://apple.news/A8TsWJl89TiCGG1Lx1GUXlg

Surely the whole point of a democracy is the chance for people to reconsider or for future generations to make up their own minds. Why not have a referendum on rejoining?

The EU would probably, despite playing hardball, want the U.K. to come back if only to show to others that leaving is something nations end up regretting.
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I think that:
Historic decisions like a country joining/leaving the EU should be once in a lifetime events, not once every two years. And democracy doesn't mean you change course, because the latest poll says so.

The EU can count themselves lucky to have gotten rid of a partner, who was never fully committed. And always needed a little extra to be convinced.

Even if the two above points were false, we still wouldn't be remotely close to a point where this makes sense. The UK still has the same set of politicians, who painted the EU as the cause of their woes, who came up with "they need us more than we need them" and "taking back control" and the same electorate, who bought all that. The party that caused all this didn't even get voted out of office and it seems so volatile that anything could happen in the future.
That's no basis for re-joining the EU. Because you're not going to give someone a seat at the table, who just shit themselves.

AlPistacho said:
I understand your point. And it is true that nations leaving and rejoining every decade destroys the credibility of the EU. Although as an exception, and to counter Euro skeptic groups that are gaining popularity in many parts of Europe, it might be in the EU’s long term interest to allow it. Obviously they will play hardball and rightly so, the benefits are more clearly for the U.K, but to have the first ever leave nation come back begging to join does send a message to other European nations who might be having a “leave” feeling.

If ever there is a referendum in another nation, what argument can beat “The U.K., once a better economy than our own left, it’s economy shrunk, things became so bad they rejoined”
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It's more like the literal opposite of what you wrote. The UK falling behind EU countries will be a much better argument against EU skeptics, than sending the message that you can take your shot at leaving the EU and then come back, when it doesn't work out.
 
AlPistacho said:
I understand your point. And it is true that nations leaving and rejoining every decade destroys the credibility of the EU. Although as an exception, and to counter Euro skeptic groups that are gaining popularity in many parts of Europe, it might be in the EU’s long term interest to allow it. Obviously they will play hardball and rightly so, the benefits are more clearly for the U.K, but to have the first ever leave nation come back begging to join does send a message to other European nations who might be having a “leave” feeling.

If ever there is a referendum in another nation, what argument can beat “The U.K., a better economy than our own left, it’s economy shrunk, things became so bad they rejoined”
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It has nothing to do with credibility but money, it costs money to modify and setup new infrastructures and the personnel that goes with it. And there is no long term projection if someone doesn't understand that international agreements are long term agreements. It has nothing to do with playing hardball, it's not a game, it was never a game and people in the UK need to understand it.

To make it clear, the reason EU members will and should be reluctant is financial because the instability creates costly legal and logistical issues.
 
JPRouve said:
It has nothing to do with credibility but money, it costs money to modify and setup new infrastructures and the personnel that goes with it. And there is no long term projection if someone doesn't understand that international agreements are long term agreements. It has nothing to do with playing hardball, it's not a game, it was never a game and people in the UK need to understand it.

To make it clear, the reason EU members will and should be reluctant is financial because the instability creates costly legal and logistical issues.
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You’re right. I just hope us and our future generations don’t get permanently punished for the stupid, gullible, and misled in our society.

Failing that, then I hope more EU countries leave and we can start our EU.2 with them.:lol:
 
In addition to the objections already put in place by other posters, the EU's procedure for accepting new members requires a long time plus unanimity of the current members. That means that even if they could reapply today, they would need the 27 countries to vote for it and that wouldn't be neccesarily easy. I could see France opposing, as well as maybe the Netherlands (whose finance sector has been indirectly benefited by Brexit), Spain (Gibraltar conflict), maybe Hungary, etc. Plus, there's already like 8 countries waiting for approval, so it wouldn't look great for the UK to just bypass them. And of course, then those countries approval would be required too. Long story short, even if the UK starts trying to rejoin right now and the EU is willing to give it a go, it would maybe take decades.
 
crossy1686 said:
The only way any form of industry can come back to the UK is if they abolish the minimum wage and equal pay, and as it stands it's becoming too expensive and difficult to import everything due to shitty trade deals and lack of foreign labour doing the shitty jobs or driving lorries.
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That ship sailed a long time before Brexit and it's never coming back, aside from anything else it would take years and mass immigration of the people with the relevant skills to achieve, most of the people who had those skills are retired or dead.

Brexit happened mostly because a lot of the British public wanted immigration curbed, all that's happened is that it's shifted from one group of people to another
 
Jippy said:
All of these links are from the Guardian though, which is preaching to the converted. The gripes aren't making into the right wing media yet or they're just being blamed on EU intransigence or whatever.
We're still years away from a mass realisation, let alone admission, that Brexit was shit.
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I look at the Guardian for the news , because it's a free and easy website to look at without all the silly news and gossip.

However, the columnists and opinion writers all seem a bit dim and people like Jenkins and Elliott are pro-Brexiters. Elliott wrote a piece today about the forecast for the UK economy in 2023 and didn't mention Brexit once. Peak denial.

Until the British electorate actually realise what they voted for, the admission is quite a way off. The next five years will tell - gradually.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
I look at the Guardian for the news , because it's a free and easy website to look at without all the silly news and gossip.

However, the columnists and opinion writers all seem a bit dim and people like Jenkins and Elliott are pro-Brexiters. Elliott wrote a piece today about the forecast for the UK economy in 2023 and didn't mention Brexit once. Peak denial.

Until the British electorate actually realise what they voted for, the admission is quite a way off. The next five years will tell - gradually.
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The plan is not mentioning brexit till labour comes in, then "labour didnt fullfill the opportunity that brexit opened" labour is at fault of a bad brexit and 20 years more of tories
 
4bars said:
The plan is not mentioning brexit till labour comes in, then "labour didnt fullfill the opportunity that brexit opened" labour is at fault of a bad brexit and 20 years more of tories
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I'm not convinced Labour will even win the next GE. Starmer looks hopeless and will find a way to lose what should be an easy victory.
 
TheGame said:
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Even more tragic that people beloved that when you realise that the opposite happened in the UK. When was the NHS ever has bad as it is right now?

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that this was the plan all along. Leave the EU and deregulate. Then break the NHS and force an insurance based model onto the population making it seem like there’s no alternative. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer (physically and mentally).
 
Klopper76 said:
Even more tragic that people beloved that when you realise that the opposite happened in the UK. When was the NHS ever has bad as it is right now?

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that this was the plan all along. Leave the EU and deregulate. Then break the NHS and force an insurance based model onto the population making it seem like there’s no alternative. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer (physically and mentally).
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That was exactly the plan. No conspiracy theory required. Why else do it?
 
Starmer also confirmed that he was deliberately adopting the “take back control” Brexit slogan because the desire for more local control was one aspect of the leave campaign in 2016, and of the yes campaign for Scottish independence in 2014, that he felt was justified. He explained:

I go back to Brexit. Yes, a whole host of issues were on that ballot paper. But as I went around the country, campaigning for remain, I couldn’t disagree with the basic case so many leave voters made to me.
People who wanted public services they could rely on. High streets they could be proud of. Opportunities for the next generation. And all of this in their town or city.
It was the same in the Scottish referendum in 2014 – many of those who voted ‘yes’ did so for similar reasons. And it’s not an unreasonable demand.
It’s not unreasonable for us to recognise the desire for communities to stand on their own feet. It’s what take back control meant. The control people want is control over their lives and their community.
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Clueless tosser. Just as well he was campaigning for Remain. Abandon all hope.
 
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