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sun_tzu said:
Hard Brexit or no Brexit...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37650077
At this rate I think there will have to be another referendum on the terms of exit because I'm sure a lot of people are going to have legitimate concerns about that
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In his speech, Mr Tusk mocked a Brexit campaign promise that Britons could "have the EU cake and eat it too" - the idea that the UK might manage to keep trade benefits of EU membership while barring European immigrants and rejecting EU courts' authority.

"To all who believe in it, I propose a simple experiment. Buy a cake, eat it, and see if it is still there on the plate.
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:lol: I didn't know that Tusk has such a great sense of humor.

It'll be interesting how the approval and costs of new medicines will be affected by Brexit. Right now, the majority of new drugs are approved on a European level through the European Medicines Agency. Workload of evaluation is shared among member states' agencies, and MHRA took a good chunk of it (and got paid for) which of course will post-Brexit be withdrawn, and EU27 member states need to up their resources. However, if MHRA must approve all new medicine applications on their own, it is likely approval times and fees will substantially go up.

Also, a couple of countries are salivating to become the new home of EMA (currently located in London but to be relocated): Ireland, Sweden, Denmark, Italy, Germany, France, Poland, Spain.... I expect that a couple of pharmaceutical companies will move their European HQs over time to the continent, too.
 
Crossie said:
Also, a couple of countries are salivating to become the new home of EMA (currently located in London but to be relocated): Ireland, Sweden, Denmark, Italy, Germany, France, Poland, Spain.... I expect that a couple of pharmaceutical companies will move their European HQs over time to the continent, too.
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Almost certainly on the big pharma moving hq's or at a minimum up scaling what they do in Europe and downsizing uk ops
Would they have to delist from London stock exchange if they moved... if so that may slow them down a little
 
sun_tzu said:
Almost certainly on the big pharma moving hq's or at a minimum up scaling what they do in Europe and downsizing uk ops
Would they have to delist from London stock exchange if they moved... if so that may slow them down a little
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Leave the board in London in an office that does nothing other than count beans and shift all the manufacture offshore in the short term would be my bet. After 120 years of UK manufacturing my company closed their final UK manufacturing site last week but is still a UK PLC with a head office in London, all of the real work goes on in Holland, France, Germany, Belgium, Hungary, Slovakia and the US though.
 
Bury Red said:
Leave the board in London in an office that does nothing other than count beans and shift all the manufacture offshore in the short term would be my bet. After 120 years of UK manufacturing my company closed their final UK manufacturing site last week but is still a UK PLC with a head office in London, all of the real work goes on in Holland, France, Germany, Belgium, Hungary, Slovakia and the US though.
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A great deal of manufacturing has been moved during the last decades anyway. I was more referring to the jobs which you just need offices for, no plants or labs; I think that's what you're referring to in your last sentence, right? These jobs will be further moved towards the continent or elsewhere.
 
Stanley Road said:
Do you actively seek to talk about it or do people you know just start moaning when you see them?
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It's one of the first topics of conversation with almost everyone Stan, you'd think we didn't have weather in the UK any more. It's all I hear with my EU and American colleagues as well who are all fascinated by how we could make such a monumentally stupid decision.

Of the Brits it's mostly remainers asking the same question to be fair although I do hear a fair few more "kick 'em out" banter type speeches when out and a few disillusioned Brexit voters who didn't think they would win and were only making a token protest vote or those who believed it was a good idea but are beginning to realise they were duped, not least my sister in the steel fabrication industry who voted leave because the EU had killed the British steel industry but who is now starting to believe me when I point out that it was Cameron who put the nail in the coffin and the EU that were trying to confiscate his hammer.

You're one of the very few who I'd count as having similar political views to myself who seems to sit on the other side of the fence to me but as you admit, you didn't have any horses in the race other than potentially cheaper holidays and the chance to give the tories and the EU a bloody nose. We're both similar in our views that Britain was largely fecked before Brexit and had been sliding steadily for most of our lives and both loathe the right wing of politics, bureaucracy, big business and the ever widening gulf between the haves and have nots. The only difference is that I still have friends and family here who I don't wish to see suffer amid the stupidity, I still have the last shreds of hope that things could improve here and rather stupidly I moved back because family finally won out over work and a life in the sun (which never suited my complexion anyway).
 
Bury Red said:
Leave the board in London in an office that does nothing other than count beans and shift all the manufacture offshore in the short term would be my bet. After 120 years of UK manufacturing my company closed their final UK manufacturing site last week but is still a UK PLC with a head office in London, all of the real work goes on in Holland, France, Germany, Belgium, Hungary, Slovakia and the US though.
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Makes sense... I'm part of a Dutch group... we will certainly be scaling back uk exposure (and jobs)
 
Classical Mechanic said:
When was Britain better exactly?
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In my lifetime I'd say mid 80s to mid 90s, we'd overcome much of the industrial malaise that blighted Britain throughout the 70s and despite largely being under the tories still had a genuine 2 party political system where the opposition redressed the balance and ensured things were not lurching to the right. The public voices of the likes of John Tyndall had been virtually silenced and for the first time in my life it genuinely looked like we were moving forward as a largely United Kingdom having even negotiated peace in Northern Ireland. Wages were rising, education standards improving and Britain genuinely felt like a vibrant place again.
 
Stanley Road said:
Do you actively seek to talk about it or do people you know just start moaning when you see them?
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It's not moaning (although nearly everyone I know was dumbfounded by the result of the referendum). Rather it's dealing with practical issues, whether personal (uncertainty over freedom of movement issues) or business (the difficulty of making investment decisions amid such uncertainty or working on plans to move operations to Dublin, Frankfurt etc if it is a hard Brexit). The latter is a bit of a scramble as no one had seriously considered that the UK would vote leave and only lip service was paid to serious contingency planning.
 
Stanley Road said:
I have no time for negativity. It's tedious.
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Since Brexit have offered no positive reason for leaving, other than the idealistic nonsense they spout, why would the remainers feel positive about their futures. At what point will reality finally dawn on the leavers.
Most of my friends are French and they think the UK are insane. The English ones are beside themselves with fury
 
Bury Red said:
In my lifetime I'd say mid 80s to mid 90s, we'd overcome much of the industrial malaise that blighted Britain throughout the 70s and despite largely being under the tories still had a genuine 2 party political system where the opposition redressed the balance and ensured things were not lurching to the right. The public voices of the likes of John Tyndall had been virtually silenced and for the first time in my life it genuinely looked like we were moving forward as a largely United Kingdom having even negotiated peace in Northern Ireland. Wages were rising, education standards improving and Britain genuinely felt like a vibrant place again.
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I would say mid 90s to 9/11. New Labour glory years. I was a young man in that era though and I do think people tend to look back of the years of their physical prime with rose tinted spectacles.

I was a child in the period you chose so I don't have a great recollection but those years seemed politically grim to me - Thatcher, Major!
 
Bury Red said:
It's one of the first topics of conversation with almost everyone Stan, you'd think we didn't have weather in the UK any more. It's all I hear with my EU and American colleagues as well who are all fascinated by how we could make such a monumentally stupid decision.

Of the Brits it's mostly remainers asking the same question to be fair although I do hear a fair few more "kick 'em out" banter type speeches when out and a few disillusioned Brexit voters who didn't think they would win and were only making a token protest vote or those who believed it was a good idea but are beginning to realise they were duped, not least my sister in the steel fabrication industry who voted leave because the EU had killed the British steel industry but who is now starting to believe me when I point out that it was Cameron who put the nail in the coffin and the EU that were trying to confiscate his hammer.

You're one of the very few who I'd count as having similar political views to myself who seems to sit on the other side of the fence to me but as you admit, you didn't have any horses in the race other than potentially cheaper holidays and the chance to give the tories and the EU a bloody nose. We're both similar in our views that Britain was largely fecked before Brexit and had been sliding steadily for most of our lives and both loathe the right wing of politics, bureaucracy, big business and the ever widening gulf between the haves and have nots. The only difference is that I still have friends and family here who I don't wish to see suffer amid the stupidity, I still have the last shreds of hope that things could improve here and rather stupidly I moved back because family finally won out over work and a life in the sun (which never suited my complexion anyway).
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Next time you're in Holland give me a bell and we'll have a beer and discuss something else, you'll find it a welcome change.

This week at work I made some demands that could put my job on the line, I did it cos I am right and I am standing up for what I believe in. The organization are taking the piss and I'm not having it. If I get released then so be it, I will get on with it despite whatever consequences it has on my mrs and the financial risk.

Sometimes you have to make waves to bring change. I could have just sat here and done nothing but that would have brought me down in a cloud of negativity. As it stands at the moment it looks like the company will have to cave to my demands, we'll see.
 
MoskvaRed said:
the difficulty of making investment decisions amid such uncertainty or working on plans to move operations to Dublin
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Well companies in the eu have been moving operations to Dublin since forever.

Guarantee it has to do with low corporate tax just like in Holland, something the uk might consider
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I would say mid 90s to 9/11. New Labour glory years. I was a young man in that era though and I do think people tend to look back of the years of their physical prime with rose tinted spectacles.

I was a child in the period you chose so I don't have a great recollection but those years seemed politically grim to me - Thatcher, Major!
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We're not that different in age by the sounds of it, much as I hated Thatcher the signs that Britain was improving and could continue to rise were certainly there at the end of her tenure and under Major. Blair's election was a real high spot for me but maybe I was slightly older and more cynical as the superficial charm rapidly begun to wear thin with me (Blur, Oasis and the Spice Girls hob nobbing with the PM) to the point that blindly following Bush into Iraq was almost expected. Maybe there is a degree of rose tinted nostalgia in there too and the fact I emigrated just before 9/11 and watched Britain's identity crisis and then recession from afar.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Since Brexit have offered no positive reason for leaving, other than the idealistic nonsense they spout, why would the remainers feel positive about their futures. At what point will reality finally dawn on the leavers.
Most of my friends are French and they think the UK are insane. The English ones are beside themselves with fury
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There's no need to compound it by being negative yourself

So they think the uk is insane, they voted for Hollande, now who's insane? They were champions of the dreadful Euro currency, I mean W T F
 
Stanley Road said:
There's no need to compound it by being negative yourself

So they think the uk is insane, they voted for Hollande, now who's insane? They were champions of the dreadful Euro currency, I mean W T F
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Hollande may be a buffoon like Boris, but there wasn't a lot of choice, and the choices aren't going to be much better come the next election. But Hollande is not planning on damaging the French economy intentionally.

As for being negative myself, it's just so patently obvious that this is not good for the UK
 
You can be negative thinking about life politically and still not let it affect your day to day personality Stan. I'm very rarely down as a person despite having personally loathed almost every politician I've come across and despite my complete befuddlement at society's continuing demonstration of their ability to make the blatantly stupid choice so consistently.
 
Rado_N said:
So probably not quite that surprising that you're not hearing that much first hand discussion?
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well Paul is from his French friends, it's most likely the mindset of the French people tho. Dutch people don't seem to care and no-one has asked me about it. Some, like my Dutch mrs, would like to leave the eu too.

I do also have some family members left in the uk and none have brought up the subject
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I would say mid 90s to 9/11. New Labour glory years. I was a young man in that era though and I do think people tend to look back of the years of their physical prime with rose tinted spectacles.

I was a child in the period you chose so I don't have a great recollection but those years seemed politically grim to me - Thatcher, Major!
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I'd agree with your timeline. Mid 90s to 9/11 was the pinnacle for Britain during my lifetime, but I think alot has to do with the fact I didn't have to provide for a wife and children and I didn't know what a mortgage really entailed.
 
Stanley Road said:
well Paul is from his French friends, it's most likely the mindset of the French people tho. Dutch people don't seem to care and no-one has asked me about it. Some, like my Dutch mrs, would like to leave the eu too.

I do also have some family members left in the uk and none have brought up the subject
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As you probably know French people tend to moan if they have the slightest reason, and they have similar concerns as British people but they do realise that such a move would damage France. If on the other hand, the UK made a success of leaving the EU, there would certainly be a feeling of maybe we should leave too. However, I know no-one here who actually has said they want to leave the EU.

By the way, I am a very happy -go-lucky positive person in real life. This subject has, however, bewildered me and although personally am hardly affected by it, I can't stand by and just let this nonsense continue unchallenged. As I said, I would be far more aggressive if it was affecting me and it wouldn't be on a football forum.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
As you probably know French people tend to moan if they have the slightest reason, and they have similar concerns as British people but they do realise that such a move would damage France. If on the other hand, the UK made a success of leaving the EU, there would certainly be a feeling of maybe we should leave too. However, I know no-one here who actually has said they want to leave the EU.

By the way, I am a very happy -go-lucky positive person in real life. This subject has, however, bewildered me and although personally am hardly affected by it, I can't stand by and just let this nonsense continue unchallenged. As I said, I would be far more aggressive if it was affecting me and it wouldn't be on a football forum.
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My uncle has lived in France for 20+ years

What is it your mates mostly like about the EU?
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Hollande may be a buffoon like Boris, but there wasn't a lot of choice, and the choices aren't going to be much better come the next election. But Hollande is not planning on damaging the French economy intentionally.

As for being negative myself, it's just so patently obvious that this is not good for the UK
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There is no maybe, Hollande is a certified buffoon and most people new it. But the hate of Sarkozy is strong.
 
Stanley Road said:
My uncle has lived in France for 20+ years

What is it your mates mostly like about the EU?
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I can't really speak on their behalf but whereas the UK leavers seem to think their national identity has been stolen from them by the EU, the French are very proud of their culture and and don't see that being eroded by being in the EU. The difference is the French have not been told by their government that all the country's laws have been implemented by the EU. Obviously politicians of all creeds and nations don't tell the truth about everything, but generally people have a concept of what at least a semblance of the truth is.

A lot of it is banter.

Personally I like the freedom of being able to go where I like, buy what I like from where I like without worrying about restrictions and mixing with people from different cultures, countries and regions within those countries. But I would live in France whether it was in or out of the EU.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
I can't really speak on their behalf but whereas the UK leavers seem to think their national identity has been stolen from them by the EU, the French are very proud of their culture and and don't see that being eroded by being in the EU. The difference is the French have not been told by their government that all the country's laws have been implemented by the EU. Obviously politicians of all creeds and nations don't tell the truth about everything, but generally people have a concept of what at least a semblance of the truth is.

A lot of it is banter.

Personally I like the freedom of being able to go where I like, buy what I like from where I like without worrying about restrictions and mixing with people from different cultures, countries and regions within those countries. But I would live in France whether it was in or out of the EU.
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Actually, they did and still do. But we ask them why they travel to Brussels and why their signatures are on the treaties, as long as their faces around the negotiation tables.
 
JPRouve said:
There is no maybe, Hollande is a certified buffoon and most people new it. But the hate of Sarkozy is strong.
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Before the last election, I don't think they realised how much of a buffoon he was - added to the Sarkozy feeling, as I said there wasn't much choice and still isn't.

JPRouve said:
Actually, they did and still do. But we ask them why they travel to Brussels and why their signatures are on the treaties, as long as their faces around the negotiation tables.
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I meant day to day laws, having lived in both countries, there are stark differences
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Before the last election, I don't think they realised how much of a buffoon he was - added to the Sarkozy feeling, as I said there wasn't much choice and still isn't.
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Hollande wasn't in the PS picture before DSK scandal and Delanoë quitted the preliminary campaign because the party in general was acting like twats. Hollande wasn't wanted.
 
Xeno said:
The Marmite wars are over according to Unilever, so that's the worst of Brexit over with and it's all sugar coated rainbows from here on in.
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So what is everyone's take out after this Unilever/Tesco episode?

a) Unilever was trying to be sneaky via some BrExit excused profiteering ---- boo #BoycottUnilever
b) Unilever reacting to increased operating costs due to BrExit, with many more companies attempting the same in weeks ahead. No hard feelings
c) It's got nothing to do with BrExit.
d) Some other scenario
e) Dont care cos I hate Marmite, Persil and Pot Noodles.
 
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