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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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On the degree point, you don't need it to have common sense but what it does help is to broaden your horizon and introduce some critical thinking and perspective.

I would not be half the person I am today if I didn't have those interactions at university and the hardships as well.

People tend to underestimate the benefit of meeting people from different walks of life which is what invariably happens when you go to uni. At the same time, I agree there's probably too many people going to uni.

I was (an unwilling) witness to a conversation on the train today. Some guy, apparently working in finance in London, was complaining to his mate how the fact he didn't go to uni disadvantaged him because he just wasn't aware what his peers were talking about and felt excluded. Again, not necessarily related to skills but it's a bit like school. It helps to have common ground.

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he he, got one!
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I think we know who the child is in this conversation. Pathetic attitude like this is what causes friction between generations. I will not sit and let you people act like high and mighty adults when you're just a bunch of hypocrites.
 
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Stanley Road said:
While I hate words invented on the internet, I am quite impressed how snowflake seems to describe its intended group very well.
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Amazingly the word "snowflake" actually existed before the internet. The things you learn in college......
 
Posters arguing that education itself is a significant causal agent in support for the EU shouldn't forget: "correlation does not imply causation". In this case, I think education and EU support are both effects of the primary cause - social class.

People from the higher social classes are better educated, have different jobs, live in different areas, are unlikely to be on housing lists, etc. In particular, they're far less likely to be exposed to the adverse consequences of immigration. And their lives and careers are much more likely to benefit from the opportunities of EU membership.

A guy who lives on a working class housing estate riven with racial tension and competing with immigrants for poorly paid, unskilled jobs may see the EU very differently to his more fortunate fellow countryman, who's just spent two years in a Frankfurt finance company, and is now returning to take up a lucrative job in the City.
 
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Will Absolute said:
Posters arguing that education itself is a significant causal agent in support for the EU shouldn't forget: "correlation does not imply causation". In this case, I think education and EU support are both effects of the primary cause - social class.

People from the higher social classes are better educated, have different jobs, live in different areas, are unlikely to be on housing lists, etc. In particular, they're far less likely to be exposed to the adverse consequences of immigration. And their lives and careers are much more likely to benefit from the opportunities of EU membership.

A guy who lives on a working class housing estate riven with racial tension and competing with immigrants for poorly paid, unskilled jobs may see the EU very differently to his more fortunate fellow countryman, who's just spent two years in a Frankfurt finance company, and is now returning to take up a lucrative job in the City.
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The working classes, or the equivalent thereof, are most prevalent in urban areas. Which, in the vast majority of cases, voted remain. Glasgow. Manchester. Bristol. Liverpool. What percentage of those populations do you think are represented by your city trader example?
 
Will Absolute said:
Posters arguing that education itself is a significant causal agent in support for the EU shouldn't forget: "correlation does not imply causation". In this case, I think education and EU support are both effects of the primary cause - social class.

People from the higher social classes are better educated, have different jobs, live in different areas, are unlikely to be on housing lists, etc. In particular, they're far less likely to be exposed to the adverse consequences of immigration. And their lives and careers are much more likely to benefit from the opportunities of EU membership.

A guy who lives on a working class housing estate riven with racial tension and competing with immigrants for poorly paid, unskilled jobs may see the EU very differently to his more fortunate fellow countryman, who's just spent two years in a Frankfurt finance company, and is now returning to take up a lucrative job in the City.
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Except that, in the US at least, within each class, better education corresponded to higher Democrat votes. And the corollary: within each classification by education, the richer people tended to vote Republican.

Also, it's good to see class politics being taken seriously by the far right.
 
Fingeredmouse said:
The working classes, or the equivalent thereof, are most prevalent in urban areas. Which, in the vast majority of cases, voted remain. Glasgow. Manchester. Bristol. Liverpool. What percentage of those populations do you think are represented by your city trader example?
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True to an extent, but there are plenty of relatively large cities/towns out there who either voted to Leave, or came close to doing so. Stoke was a high Leave area. So was Hull. As was Middlesbrough. Ipswich voted Leave. So did Bradford. Swansea too. And Nottingham. Birmingham's one of the UK's biggest cities and was also a narrow Leave vote.

While most of the big, urban cities such as London, Manchester, Glasgow and (overwhelmingly) Edinburgh were all for Remain, there were a lot of mid-sized to fairly large cities who voted Leave. And cities don't all contain the same types of people too due to their vastness...the urban, metropolitan hub of a city is very different to more derelict areas which perhaps don't feel like they've had such a positive experience in regards to immigration. Overall the Leave vote massively benefited from older people in rural areas who have little to fear from migration, but there are definitely a number of cities out there in which there's a lot of discontent. That discontent has been shown through Brexit.
 
A 'deal or no deal' Brexit vote.

It's beyond me how anyone could imagine anything else. Did people really think that the EU would negotiate, then wait for parliament to decide they wanted better terms, meet again, and say 'oh well, this changes everything, there's actually a shedload more we can do for you that we forgot about, so take this back to your parliament and see if they'll vote to accept it this time, in fact, take as many votes as you want, I'm sure we'll always find something extra we can give'.

Except it seems some folk really did think that. Crazy.
 
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Will Absolute said:
Posters arguing that education itself is a significant causal agent in support for the EU shouldn't forget: "correlation does not imply causation". In this case, I think education and EU support are both effects of the primary cause - social class.

People from the higher social classes are better educated, have different jobs, live in different areas, are unlikely to be on housing lists, etc. In particular, they're far less likely to be exposed to the adverse consequences of immigration. And their lives and careers are much more likely to benefit from the opportunities of EU membership.

A guy who lives on a working class housing estate riven with racial tension and competing with immigrants for poorly paid, unskilled jobs may see the EU very differently to his more fortunate fellow countryman, who's just spent two years in a Frankfurt finance company, and is now returning to take up a lucrative job in the City.
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As a middle class, degree educated person i face plenty of competition from well educated immigrants for jobs. I just dont hate them.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
As a middle class, degree educated person i face plenty of competition from well educated immigrants for jobs. I just dont hate them.
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As a working class uneducated person, i work with people from all over the world and they are great. Still hate the eu tho
 
Stanley Road said:
As a working class uneducated person, i work with people from all over the world and they are great. Still hate the eu tho
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But always remember that the EU loves you, you are one of us.;)
 
Scottish parliament votes against Brexit, it doesn't have any legal baring but Scotland and N.I being dragged out of the EU against their wishes is a bit of a shitshow. And the government can't pretend to be doing it in the interests of everyone when they've gone to the courts to ensure that power is the cabinets alone.
 
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Scottish parliament votes against Brexit, it doesn't have any legal baring but Scotland and N.I being dragged out of the EU against their wishes is a bit of a shitshow. And the government can't pretend to be doing it in the interests of everyone when they've gone to the courts to ensure that power is the cabinets alone.
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Have any senior EU figures expressed an opinion on how it might view an application to join by an independent Scotland? Obviously certain countries were very opposed back in 2014 but, post-Brexit, these are very different circumstances.
 
Is it true UK MP's have voted against guaranteeing 'Right of Stay'? Have the EU nations said they'll also do the same? Is this some negotiation tactic?
 
Neutral said:
Is it true UK MP's have voted against guaranteeing 'Right of Stay'? Have the EU nations said they'll also do the same? Is this some negotiation tactic?
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Yes, on both counts. A dumb negotiating tactic.
 
NinjaFletch said:
He didn't though.
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Unless you think the £350m to the NHS claim was not a lie?
 
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Unless you think the £350m to the NHS claim was not a lie?
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I do. I don't believe that what he's said amounts to an admittance that he lied.

Guys a piece of shit and has run two of the worst campaigns in the history of politics. He knows it's a lie. But it's a lie to say he's admitted it; he's not that honest, he's just bragging about how good he is.
 
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Dobba said:
Oh it gets better if you dig just a little deeper.



It has been one heck of a day for cnuts to be cnuts.
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Yeah seems so, also is there some special branded kool aid that get's rid of sense and morals that Labour MP's have to drink in order to join the Party.
 
It's usually the case that people think their own cause is the driving force behind a movement like this whereas it's often a totally different one. Here Stewart probably believes there's some kind of socialist ideal behind it all but in fact it's a nationalist one.
 
Is there a list of the people that voted against EU citizens' right to stay? I am almost sure my local lightweight MP voted against against his constituents' wishes.
 
Cheers for that. My suspicions were correct. I wonder if I'll see the guy campaigning on my doorstep come the next election. I might have some fun then.
 
Rightnr said:
Cheers for that. My suspicions were correct. I wonder if I'll see the guy campaigning on my doorstep come the next election. I might have some fun then.
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Labour or Tory?
 
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