Dobba
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Tim Farron gets grouped in with Paul Nuttalls of the UKIPs 

Presumably you will be coming back to the UK once we are free from EU tyranny?
I don't think @Bury Red said that at all though (unless it's somewhere else in the thread)
I'd love to know your real reasons.
Hasn't Neil got a place a Trump towers. Certainly knows his place.The difference between these two interviews.
Suddenly he's interrupting answers and talking over the interviewee, the Tory lap dog cnut.
They share a bond over their shit toupees. All Andrew's is missing is the chin strap.Hasn't Neil got a place a Trump towers. Certainly knows his place.
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No trade perks, no freed of movement more likely.
Too many for right now...Look out later tonight / tomorrow, although
I'm not sure you'd fully undertsand if you thing Britain has a land border with France.
Don't worry about naming them all. Name a couple.
If you can't grasp the concept of a joke, it's completely understandable that you've been sucked in my Farage and his disinformation.
Sorry - didn't see it as even a poor joke....Guess we have a different sense of humour as well as political opinion.
Oh, and didn't get sucked in at all by anyone - Farage's lies or Cameron's lies as UK leaving makes absolutely bugger all difference to me stuck here in the EUSSR other than to give me some hope that France will vote out as well, one day.
Too many for right now...Look out later tonight / tomorrow, although I'm not sure you'd fully undertsand if you thing Britain has a land border with France.
I don't believe you know that much about the EU.
Technically there is a land border between the UK and France, it's in the tunnel since the maritime frontiers cross said tunnel.
I don't believe you know much.
That is ridiculous bordering on swivel eyed lunacyI believe unemployment is a crime – the EU encourages unemployment
I don’t like vindictive ex-lover bunny boilers – the EU is proving it is a bunny boiler par excellence
I like to deal directly with my elected politicians when I have a problem with what they’re doing – the EU couldn’t give a shit about individuals’ problems
You knew you were in for a doozy when he started his post complaining about insults. It's the internet equivalent of giving your mate your beer, saying "watch this" and immediately breaking your neck.
Insults, insults....Always the bloody same with EU apologists....
So here you go for headlines
I believe in democracy – the EU is undemocratic.
I believe in Free Trade – the EU is protectionist
I believe in transparency and accountability – the EU isn’t
I believe countries should govern themselves for the benefit of their own citizens – the EU doesn’t
I believe in Lean Government – the EU is a bureaucratic nightmare
I don’t like subsidising losers – the EU loves it
I object to paying tax to rescue basket case banks and economies – the EU loves spending my tax rescuing basket case banks and economies
I believe it’s stupid to push Putin too far – the EU already has
I don’t think you can treat 28 different countries, economies and cultures as one homogenous nation – the EU thinks it can and insists that it will
I like to deal directly with my elected politicians when I have a problem with what they’re doing – the EU couldn’t give a shit about individuals’ problems
I believe unemployment is a crime – the EU encourages unemployment
I don’t like open borders – the EU insists on open borders within mainland Europe.
I like clubs that set then respect their own rules – the EU only does this when its suits them.
I don’t like vindictive ex-lover bunny boilers – the EU is proving it is a bunny boiler par excellence
I believe in helping the 3rd World economies – the EU only does it when it’s to the EU’s own benefit
It's the same with the Trump fans. So many of them start with 'you're saying mean things about me'. People really can't handle being called out on their own bullshit it seems. Full Bodied even brought up not liking being called xenophobic/racist without any instigation earlier, someone had mentioned him on an entirely different point.
I know a lad who voted for Brexit because, in his own words, 'he was sick he was being told he was a racist', in the same conversation he told us that he hated Bulgarians and Romanians. This is a guy who I met while we were both studying on Erasmus, he was quite happy to accept the grant then though.
The EU commission may be undemocratic but we all elect representatives who go directly to Brussels. There are/were problems regarding the democratic nature of the EU but it's not as simple as a bunch of highers-ups simply choosing each other to implement policy over which member states have no say. Countries can often have restrictions/vetoes on certain things - that's where the bureaucracy comes in. You can't have something that's undemocratic and ignores people yet also listens to them too often - pick one.
I'm not at all sure how the EU has pushed Putin too far, unless accepting Russian border states who want to join the EU is somehow overstepping the mark. They're their own sovereign nations, and Putin should have no say over what direction they wish to go on.
Do you consider UK chancelleries undemocratic? Do people elect the Exchequer Chancellor?
I dunno about group think. I know a lot of financial journos, having been in the game for over 16 years, and most are left. I'm actually historically right (no love for the current Tory party), but we're all pro-EU, barring one guy I know. Maybe it is group think, but we're all from different socio-economic, racial, religious backgrounds etc...Look at the bright side of life. The “Economist for Brexit” forecast was much more accurate (and positive) compared to the BoE or the treasury forecast. They even got the FX rate changes pretty much spot on. I don’t share their long term optimism, but a slightly more balanced outlook is probably warranted. The reality is that almost all political economics, social scientists, journalists and the majority of traditional economists are staunchly for the EU. The LSE/G-5, are frenetically pro-EU. That bias might occasionally cloud their judgment. Any economic and political model is filled with very subjective and potentially biased assumptions. It is hard to avoid group-think (Obviously that applies to both sides and myself as well).
The only thing where I am personally (subjectively!) convinced to have seen enough “hard-evidence” is that immigration will play a key-role. Changing the access to UK labour market could really have a massive (negative) impact. There is surprisingly thin evidence for the negative impact of other factors like trade rules, access for services to the single market et.al. That doesn’t mean that these things don’t have a significant impact; it is just very uncertain.
That should put strong pressure on May to maintain fairly free movement.
Insults, insults....Always the bloody same with EU apologists....
So here you go for headlines
I believe in democracy – the EU is undemocratic. -
I believe in Free Trade – the EU is protectionist
I believe in transparency and accountability – the EU isn’t
I believe countries should govern themselves for the benefit of their own citizens – the EU doesn’t
I believe in Lean Government – the EU is a bureaucratic nightmare
I don’t like subsidising losers – the EU loves it
I object to paying tax to rescue basket case banks and economies – the EU loves spending my tax rescuing basket case banks and economies
I believe it’s stupid to push Putin too far – the EU already has
I don’t think you can treat 28 different countries, economies and cultures as one homogenous nation – the EU thinks it can and insists that it will
I like to deal directly with my elected politicians when I have a problem with what they’re doing – the EU couldn’t give a shit about individuals’ problems
I believe unemployment is a crime – the EU encourages unemployment
I don’t like open borders – the EU insists on open borders within mainland Europe.
I like clubs that set then respect their own rules – the EU only does this when its suits them.
I don’t like vindictive ex-lover bunny boilers – the EU is proving it is a bunny boiler par excellence
I believe in helping the 3rd World economies – the EU only does it when it’s to the EU’s own benefit
When did you stop being 'sticky tip'? Just noticed!Can you imagine your workplace going under and suddenly finding yourself on the run from the coppers? What a horrific idea, unemployment a crime. Fecking hell.
I don't believe you know that much about the EU.
Idk, whenever some photo of Blind rocking a boner popped up, couple years ago maybe.When did you stop being 'sticky tip'? Just noticed!
Everything's up in the air tbf. If she wades in saying we'll defo get this or that, she can't win. Impossible position really. Jesus, this won't end well.Is it me or Therese May doesn't know what to do? She said she shares european values, but then why are you leaving?
Insults, insults....Always the bloody same with EU apologists....
Idk, whenever some photo of Blind rocking a boner popped up, couple years ago maybe.
Is it me or Therese May doesn't know what to do? She said she shares european values, but then why are you leaving?
Tbf, having a single interest rate and no ability for members to print their own currency is a massive economic problem. North and South Europe are very different economies.So here you go for headlines
I believe in democracy – the EU is undemocratic.
Despite literally every decision being voted on by every single one of its members?
I believe in Free Trade – the EU is protectionist
The EU promotes completely free trade within the EU meaning we can trade freely with our biggest trading partners. Trade outside the EU comes with tariffs and restrictions.
The situation now is going to be tariffs and restrictions with our biggest trading partners as well as tariffs and restrictions with non-EU countries. So very much not free-trade.
I believe in transparency and accountability – the EU isn’t
That's just more fluff.
I believe countries should govern themselves for the benefit of their own citizens – the EU doesn’t
More Farage induced waffle. The decisions our government have made is on our government, they chose to flog off our Fishing quotas to European mega-trawlers and the immigration policies have been decided by them, if they wanted it to be stricter there was nothing stopping them.
Unless you are talking about workers rights and human rights?
I believe in Lean Government – the EU is a bureaucratic nightmare
The UK government is in now way bloated and bureaucratic. It's crazy how many Brexiteers sudenly have such huge faith in the British government to look after the people's interests.
***I don’t like subsidising losers – the EU loves it
I object to paying tax to rescue basket case banks and economies – the EU loves spending my tax rescuing basket case banks and economies
What sort of world do you think we'd be living in if these countries were left to fail? Banks going bust would equate to, a massive rescission, huge scale unemployment, infrastructures left to rot, immigration spiking and a loss of trading partners. Despite what people seem to think, no prospering country has a closed economy. If you let your trade partners collapse, you're going to suffer yourself.
I believe it’s stupid to push Putin too far – the EU already has
What exactly have the EU done to push Putin? They're trying to contain his imperialism and latent disregard for democracy and human right.
I don’t think you can treat 28 different countries, economies and cultures as one homogenous nation – the EU thinks it can and insists that it will
Despite promoting and celebrating the individual cultures of each nation and having different economic expectations of each country? The EU does absolutely nothing to suggest it's one homogenous nation. The clue is in the word "Union".
I like to deal directly with my elected politicians when I have a problem with what they’re doing – the EU couldn’t give a shit about individuals’ problems
The EU gives another platform to fight your case on if your local and national systems are working against you.
I believe unemployment is a crime – the EU encourages unemployment
You're a fecking moron.
I don’t like open borders – the EU insists on open borders within mainland Europe.
He says without a whiff of irony from the comfort of his home in his adopted France.
I like clubs that set respect their own rules – the EU only does this when its suits them.
More Faragian waffle.
I don’t like vindictive ex-lover bunny boilers – the EU is proving it is a bunny boiler par excellence
Because it's not letting us have our cake and eat it?
***I believe in helping the 3rd World economies – the EU only does it when it’s to the EU’s own benefit
Would you rather go down on her or Sturgeon?She's always been wishy-washy on the whole thing. Was rumoured to support Brexit, campaigned for Remain but didn't really campaign for Remain, and became this ardent Brexiter determined to give a voice to people she wouldn't have given a feck about had their vote share been slightly less. For all her talk of holding honest Christian values, she comes across as an unconvincing flip-flopper on a level that would make even Cameron blush.
Long enough to know "you weren't there man" belongs in Vietnam movies not in an international relations decision.I've lived inside the EEC/EC/EU since the UK joined in 1973.
And I've tried to stand up to it since 2005 - JPRouve will know the significance of 2005 and might tell you all why.
And yourself ?? You live inside the EU ?? And where ?? And since when ??
Would you rather go down on her or Sturgeon?
..Insults, insults....Always the bloody same with EU apologists....
So here you go for headlines
I believe in democracy – the EU is undemocratic. No it isn't, if it was a country, we'd call it a democracy. You can argue that you want more democracy, which I do too.
I believe in Free Trade – the EU is protectionist. It's hugely protectionist. But why are we pissing off our largest trading partner. We could have been like Norway, in the signle market, but able to make free trade deals also.
I believe in transparency and accountability – the EU isn’t. Agreed, the accountability of the EU is lacking
I believe countries should govern themselves for the benefit of their own citizens – the EU doesn’t How can you write that? Who else does it benefit
I believe in Lean Government – the EU is a bureaucratic nightmare Fair enough
I don’t like subsidising losers – the EU loves it What?
I object to paying tax to rescue basket case banks and economies – the EU loves spending my tax rescuing basket case banks and economies Fair enough, but they werent the only ones
I believe it’s stupid to push Putin too far – the EU already has. No, the EU act as a counterweight between Russia and the USA. The EU is Russia's largest oil buyer, and even sell Russia arms. What EU are you talking about?
I don’t think you can treat 28 different countries, economies and cultures as one homogenous nation – the EU thinks it can and insists that it will The EU doesn't do that at all.
I like to deal directly with my elected politicians when I have a problem with what they’re doing – the EU couldn’t give a shit about individuals’ problems. Fair enough to the first bit, although you already said it. But what individuals are you about?
I believe unemployment is a crime – the EU encourages unemployment. What
I don’t like open borders – the EU insists on open borders within mainland Europe. Fine
I like clubs that set then respect their own rules – the EU only does this when its suits them. Fair enough, although all governments change the rules over time
I don’t like vindictive ex-lover bunny boilers – the EU is proving it is a bunny boiler par excellence Right
I believe in helping the 3rd World economies – the EU only does it when it’s to the EU’s own benefit Fair enough
Insults, insults....Always the bloody same with EU apologists....
So here you go for headlines
I believe in democracy – the EU is undemocratic.
I believe in Free Trade – the EU is protectionist.
I believe in transparency and accountability – the EU isn’t
I believe countries should govern themselves for the benefit of their own citizens – the EU doesn’t
I don’t like subsidising losers – the EU loves it
I object to paying tax to rescue basket case banks and economies – the EU loves spending my tax rescuing basket case banks and economies
I believe in helping the 3rd World economies – the EU only does it when it’s to the EU’s own benefit
I believe it’s stupid to push Putin too far – the EU already has
I don’t think you can treat 28 different countries, economies and cultures as one homogenous nation – the EU thinks it can and insists that it will
I like to deal directly with my elected politicians when I have a problem with what they’re doing – the EU couldn’t give a shit about individuals’ problems
I believe unemployment is a crime – the EU encourages unemployment
I don’t like open borders – the EU insists on open borders within mainland Europe.
I don’t like vindictive ex-lover bunny boilers – the EU is proving it is a bunny boiler par excellence