Can davies really afford walking out of the negotiation table? A hard brexit will bring a revolt within the tory party and will see labour, dub, lib dem and SNP together and against it. It would be the end of Theresa May's David Davies's and probably boris political career
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Brexit is like betting your life savings on Moyes Utd winning the champions league with Rooney up front & Fellani as the main 'creative outlet' a chance you'll be better off after it but a significantly larger chance that you'll be royally fecked.
Honestly, what benefit is worth the risk of leaving the EU?
Might be some benefits but once the UK leaves, no one is going to fecking notice these benefits are they? Sovereignty sounds all good on paper, but the days of the Empire are long gone. While the disadvantages will be felt more by those that voted leave.. seems vaguely familar to the situation in the US..
Those favourable to Brexit are going to resemble Liverpool fans soon 'This is our year' 'Next year Brexit will be a resounding success just you wait' 26 years later, Brexit will still be a
a load of 'jump off cliff hope for the best' BULLSHIT.
Once we leave, we will NOT be in a position where there's plenty of countries willing to bend over backwards for a trade deal, forcing May to play ENEEEEEE MEEEENIIEE MINEYY MOO with them. Infact, the realisation that only a minority of countries want a trade deal with us & all of those deals will most likely favour them not us will eventually settle in. I don't see how it's possible that we will get a better deal than what we currently have? Even if the stars aligned and leaving the EU went perfectly.
Although, those that voted for Brexit won't blame themselves noooo. They'll blame DEMMM IMMMIIGRANTSS and the EU & the government but never themselves that's a bet worth risking your life savings on.
My favourite comment so far that I've heard about May & Brexit
"May resembles Maggie Thatcher and thus Brexit will be a success, 'strong & stable' suits her perfectly". - Gun to head moment.
Honestly, what benefit is worth the risk of leaving the EU?
Might be some benefits but once the UK leaves, no one is going to fecking notice these benefits are they? Sovereignty sounds all good on paper, but the days of the Empire are long gone. While the disadvantages will be felt more by those that voted leave.. seems vaguely familar to the situation in the US..
Those favourable to Brexit are going to resemble Liverpool fans soon 'This is our year' 'Next year Brexit will be a resounding success just you wait' 26 years later, Brexit will still be a
a load of 'jump off cliff hope for the best' BULLSHIT.
Once we leave, we will NOT be in a position where there's plenty of countries willing to bend over backwards for a trade deal, forcing May to play ENEEEEEE MEEEENIIEE MINEYY MOO with them. Infact, the realisation that only a minority of countries want a trade deal with us & all of those deals will most likely favour them not us will eventually settle in. I don't see how it's possible that we will get a better deal than what we currently have? Even if the stars aligned and leaving the EU went perfectly.
Although, those that voted for Brexit won't blame themselves noooo. They'll blame DEMMM IMMMIIGRANTSS and the EU & the government but never themselves that's a bet worth risking your life savings on.
My favourite comment so far that I've heard about May & Brexit
"May resembles Maggie Thatcher and thus Brexit will be a success, 'strong & stable' suits her perfectly". - Gun to head moment.
It's certainly a topsy-turvy time we're going through. Right wing catholics are busy denouncing "inquisitions", communist parties denounce gulags and neo-fascists denounce dictatorships.
Polls seem to reveal that opinion hasn't shifted that much, with one showing 52/48 for leave and the other 51/49 for remain; pretty much where we were a year ago. And that's outside negotiations taking place where the narrative has been entirely: "STOP TALKING OUR COUNTRY DOWN!!!" from our press. Now they are starting and it'll soon be evident by leaks from the negotiations just how weak our position is and how poor any deal we could possibly get would be I wouldn't be surprised at all see support for scrapping the whole idea to be the majority public opinion inside 12 months.
Could be. On the other hand I've noticed that when any country is in dispute with outside forces it's people seem to rally to a 'my country first, us against the rest' position. In fact there's been many a national leader who's attempted to reverse their unpopularity at home by starting foreign disputes and foreign wars. Galtieri for one, although it turned out to be Thatcher that benefited from the patriotic effect, ironically.
I think a lot of folk are predicting the future mostly on the basis that it is the one that will prove they have been right all along really, which is human nature I suppose.
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The really mental thing is that we won't give the ECJ jurisdiction yet we are willing to consent to putting the deal into international law. This suggests we want to create a new, separate (doubtless fabulously expensive) court made up of British and EU lawyers...so what's the fecking point?! We now have 2 ECJs instead of one and everybody pays through the nose for it. Down with tyrannical bureaucracy eh?
I wonder if people misunderstand that quote on purpose. Asking politicians not to abuse referendums as tools for their domestic politics is not even close to being the same as rejecting democracy.
I think most of the points have already been answered and explained above , that the offer made by May is pretty meaningless, she might as well not have said anything. The fact she has at least said something is a start. Avoiding answering points and saying catch phrases and clichés might work with the British electorate, it won't work with the EU.
If free movement ends then there will be no trade deal, very simple. There are going to be a lot of headlines in the UK, not in Europe, as far as most people are concerned here the Uk has already left and there is very little coverage on Brexit whereas you turn on a UK news channel it's either Brexit or some other horrible thing that's happened
and the important thing is whether the EU think its worth the hassle. If not they might as well send Davis empty handed. This will, most likely, cause a political revolution in the UK with a more EU party going into government.
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I bet the EU's negotiators are shitting themselves having seen the Tories being outwitted by a bunch of creationists to the tune of £100m a head.
Don't think the talks will last very long, pay your bill and sod off is the most likely scenario atm
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Nothing wrong with believing in creation, and nothing wrong with acquiring money to invest in Northern Ireland. The Tory's desperately needed support, so met the demands. Both win, but the DUP more so. Even Gerry approves.
The EU are pissed off at the moment, so let's see how they respond to May's proposal.
Does he now?
Corbyn seemed ok with it, but wished it had been proposed last year. I agree with him about that (cant believe I agree with him about something).
Yeah he liked the investment side of it.
Source?
It doesn't matter whether Corbyn agrees or not, remember I don't like May or Corbyn
The EU don't and will not agree. If May doesn't totally change her outlook the Uk have no chance of any deal
It is even worse than I thought a few days ago.
It is less than nothing.
So May's brilliant proposal is that I have to reapply for settled status even though I got a permanent residence card last week. And I am one of the easiest cases of those 3.2m. What a joke of a woman.
The problem with you is that you only see doom and gloom.
If the Tory's agree with the EU on anything, they are capitulating, and if they disagree with the EU on anything, they're wrong to do so.
You seriously need to stop going down on EU cock, and have more faith in what this country can achieve.
She is a moron and will sell her soul to the devil if it means clinging on to another minute of power
I have no faith in this country. I have no faith in its leaders, nor its people.
This is not how I understood it.
If you have a permanent resident card, you are already assured of staying.
It is not a question of doom and gloom, it's about living in the real world and not in the world of some fantasy.
It's obvious the EU will not agree to this, it's obvious the UK is not going to get a deal unless they accept the terms.
Just posturing is not going to change this.
So why does he have to apply for settled status, because it's not automatic
You are not concerned by that. Basically May pointed to the actual british laws.
Edit: You applied for indefinite leave to remain in the UK?
These are perfect lyrics for a new Adele song. Send this to her.
May I ask you if you have to pay anything for your residence card ?
I believe that EU nationals apply for permanent residency cards in order to become British citizens. He may not be an EU national, I don't know.
If he wasn't an EU citizen then Brexit would not affect him. Permanent residency is not the same as citizenship. He can remain a citizen of the country of his birth and have permanent residency of the UK
I've decided to stop trying to actually hope for any sort of sense, and just sit back and laugh as it blows up in our faces
Yup, it's not like I spent months getting the other one... I have hated May since I first saw her face but she is proving every bit EU citizen's version of Maggie Thatcher.
No, I applied for a document certifying permanent residence in the UK which is the equivalent to what you are pointing to for EU citizens. I wanted and needed the document, so I can apply for British citizenship. I haven't done it yet because my priorities have changed and it costs £1.5k
I paid £65 and wasted a lot of nerves as well as spending a solid 1.5 months of prepping for the whole malarkey.
Yes, but a permanent residency card is required to then apply for British citizenship. If people meet the criteria within the five year period, they receive British citizenship.
The whole idea behind May's proposal was to give these kind of people assurance. Something that May and the EU should have established last year.
You can have residency without becoming a British citizen, not everyone residing in Britain from the EU wants to become a British citizen, the same as not every British citizen living in an EU country necessarily wants to become a citizen of that country.
My French wife lived 32 years in the UK but remained French, I have lived 10 years in France and have applied for French nationality which I should get within a year but so many applications from British people have probably prolonged the process, normally would have taken a few months.
What the EU offers gives certainty, what May has offered offers zero certainty and she has announced this two weeks after the EU offer.
Another obvious outcome.
Yeah, I'd already read it. I was just trying to work out how on earth he'd got what he said from what Adams did.
It's best to put the frame. These discussions mainly concerns people who are from the EU AND have less than 5 years in the UK or didn't apply for a permanent or long term residency. People from outside the EU aren't concerned.
It's kind of his specialty, it's a rare talent.
Someone just said on the BBC they are willing to go into a recession for Brexit to happen 
Someone just said on the BBC they are willing to go into a recession for Brexit to happen
These people always excised. Brexit, and the conservative party, have given them a voice.
Seeing that she now has to find 1,5 billion extra it wouldn't surprise me if the new one cost more.