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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
'Waiting for dead men's shoes', how typical of remainers, true colour showing now... but won't embarrass you with a description
Really? That is surprising, its almost a revelation!
Another revelation, no arguments from me on this one!
Not sure I fully agree with this, true the daily papers are now seen to carry much 'fake news' (Donald isn't completely off the mark with that one),
social media is quite effective, but also intrusive, e.g. cyber-bulling etc. and it can also be, unintended of course, a medium for the 'transfer of ignorance', or in its extreme form sinister/terrorist propaganda, without any monitoring or oversight and on balance it can perhaps do young people as much harm as good, but since you want to be optimistic, lets assume it will ultimately be for the better.
Precisely, that's why Britain needs to be outward looking and not shackled by the EU boundaries... my word I do believe the light bulb may have come on.. just have a quick look over your head!
I've spent half my life doing this. My favourite one is Australia, we gave up shipping there for several reasons, one of them being that were the tests were too onerous and a pain, the shipping time doubled from 6/8 weeks 10 years ago to 3/4 months now, they're slow payers, something to look forward to for UK suppliers assuming that they actually want to buy more products from the UK which Brexiters think is a foregone conclusion.
My word aren't you condescending.
that's one word to use to describe him that begins with C.
I broke this down for the industry I work in a couple of pages back - I'm on phone so can't look it up but suffice to say it is more problematic than you think. Government contacts have no answers as they have no idea what is going on, let alone what problems are arising. The whole thing is a can of worms far more complex than saying it can be copy pasted.
Don't know why people are still bothering with him, he's clearly a WUM and possibly even one of the paid Russian shit stirrers. I gave up after 2 posts of the condescending conservative cnut referring to me as son completely oblivious to how old I am.
I thought he was a Russian too, but the way he types is exactly like another 70+ year old I know: condescending, overly-long paragraphs of irrelevant cliches and outdated metaphors that leave the reader more confused than enlightened. If he's faking it, he's absolutely nailed it.
Agreed 100%
Yeah noticed that too.
Remainers in their glass mansions, but such is the state of this thread.
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You mean Farage is your hero too, so you are a UKIP supporter after all.
JesusNo! just a bit of leg-pulling, don't think @Kentonio needs anybody to reply on his behalf, he is very capable. If its upset your sensibilities don't read the posts!
Hah, Hah, there are some sensitive souls on here aren't there?
Simple truth, the elderly were the reason the vote passed, and the elderly will largely die off before anyone else. Shame you didn't have a cause that offered any kind of better future for young people eh.
Ah you have Trump sympathies too? Colour me shocked..
That's right! We're going to become more outward looking by leaving Europe, locking down our borders and kicking out Jonnie Foreigner! Jesus christ, do you ever actually listen to yourself..
Lol, what does that even mean?
Coming from the one who tagged half of the caf because they were being mean. You have no shame.
Coming from the one who tagged half of the caf because they were being mean. You have no shame.
Yes true, I did go OTT on that one, I will wear sack clothe and ashes for...five minutes!
Exactly what is says!
How is Britain alone more global alone than partnership with EU?
You talk about not shackled by EU boundaries, yet with brexit the most obvious outcome is getting more boundaries?
The 'world will be their oyster'! Is that the phrase they used to send youngsters to seek their fortune?..ah those were the days!
No not particularly, but he's nailed that one. Newspapers of all ilk's have increasingly become propaganda tools, as far as the headlines stories and editorials are concerned, even more in the last few years since they have been trying to compete with social media... and largely losing out.
Yes that's true, especially if all you 'doom-monger' remainers are anything to go by, we will have to be!
We are then free to trade where and with whom and when we like and tailor make trade agreements that suit us and not necessarily the other EU members. The world is opening up and trying to be part of a large block that is somewhat moribund, largely incompetent (can't even present us with an itemised bill for leaving) and as a history of running the most expensive gravy-train in the world, is not the way forward for a large economy like ours.
Yes, I'm talking as much about political boundaries as any trade or physical boundaries. The EU's declared aim now is to move to ever closer integration, to do that it needs to have member states who actually want to be part of a USE, we don't, we will always retain the Pound and will therefore not be running with those in the euro-zone. Britain if it remained in the EU will seek even more opt outs, until eventually with a different currency and loads of opt out's of this and that, we become a side show in the EU, since that is the case I rather we were outside making our own way. The EU will need to get a move on now, to try to restrain China and to try to match the US, both of whom will be vying for the world leadership economy by the end of this century.
And knowing we'll be desperate to make any said agreements, other countries will be free to try and exploit us if they wish to get deals which work in their favour. Not to mention that any trade deals will likely take a long time to complete and will be conducted over a number of years. Should we leave the EU without a deal then we'll go into any future negotiations appearing quite desperate and in need of help. Other countries will aim to take advantage of that.
Yes, I'm told that's how trade deals work, we will have to be wide awake! If I were Theresa I start now on developing a national school for traders and sales personnel and even ask Paul the Wolf to come out of retirement to run it... he knows a lot about trading
So the EU is going to be vying to be the world's top economy, and we are going to be doing what exactly?
Why are you assuming that we are being forced to drop the pound?
What current EU trade agreements do not suit our country's needs?
I believe you have misunderstood the concept of globalization. Being global doesn't mean standing alone and making trade globally.
Globalization definition by Merriam-Webster said:
It's about integration, synergy and easing of physical and political boundaries to ensure better cooperation. There is absolutely no way anyone can pass of Brexit as a step towards being more global. That's just plain nonsense.
I'm not arguing against the fact that the EU as it stands now is flawed and needs to be fixed. But it needs to be fixed from within. Dollar and Euro are the most traded currencies in the world followed by Japanese Yen and then comes the Pound. I would not be surprised if Pound use shrinks further post Brexit. Imo by retaining the Pound and still remaining in EU, you had best of both worlds.
But then the pro/cons of Brexit have been debated endlessly before and everyone has had a chance to form their opinions either way and I have no interest in going into that.
Just came to point out your incorrect understanding of globalization.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-brexit-talks-david-davis-runs-out-of-bluster
Thought this was quite funny and also pretty accurate.
Brexiters won't like it though because it comes from the Guardian and not the Daily Heil
Thought this was quite funny and also pretty accurate.
Brexiters won't like it though because it comes from the Guardian and not the Daily Heil
David Davis is exhibiting the typical signs of an idiot who has come up against someone way out of his league and he is trying to cover his incompetence with bluster.
I have seen people try it on me many times and it doesn't work. It won't work this time as well.
In other news, the HO will need 1.2k workers to register 3m EU nationals although if my experience is anything to go by, they'll need closer to 1.2 million with their poor efficiency and lack of training. At least Liverpool will a few jobs though but that will hardly account for the lost ones (e.g. Vauxhall's 400 and today Sainsbury's announcing another 2000).
I have seen people try it on me many times and it doesn't work. It won't work this time as well.
In other news, the HO will need 1.2k workers to register 3m EU nationals although if my experience is anything to go by, they'll need closer to 1.2 million with their poor efficiency and lack of training. At least Liverpool will a few jobs though but that will hardly account for the lost ones (e.g. Vauxhall's 400 and today Sainsbury's announcing another 2000).
#humblebrag
So is the timing of MI5's pronouncement regarding the terror threat purely coincidental in how they coincide with how Brexit talks are going? Like how Bush used to raise the terror alert to cover up for bad news.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/17/uk-most-severe-terror-threat-ever-mi5-islamist
You're a caricature.
I didn't say it was aiming to be the top economy, but trying to prevent Chinese domination by the end of the 21st Century. We shall be competing in specific markets which suit us best, we will have formed alliances with various trading blocks around the world, including the EU.
We will not be forced to drop the pound; however that together with our opt outs, (that will surely increase as we fight off further integration) will put us in the second division in the EU. The euro zone will, and quite rightly in an organisation where the vast majority of the countries have adopted the euro, become the main driver for trade, if it doesn't then the EU will disappear like a puff of smoke!
None I would hope, but there are a number of potential agreements, some in the past and potentially in the future where could have signed up to a different or better deal, had we not been members of the EU.
Like what? This is all incredibly vague, and basically comes across as an admission that you're not really against any particular deals we had with the EU.
I believe you have misunderstood my concepts, I don't for one minute think we would stand alone, that is a ridiculous assumption on your part. I said we would be free to make our own way, that does not imply standing alone, it means forming our own deals, alliances, the ones that suit us n best.
Yes I suppose if you support both Man Utd and Man City you could bump along in Manchester, until the Derby games, then you have to choose sides.
Well not really. You can be a glory hunter and enjoy the result irrespective of whom wins. That's what the UK was allowed to do within the EU. Using your analogy, now it chose to stop supporting the Manchester clubs and start supporting Brighton. However it still expects the same amount of honours and glory because its mutual beneficial for it to remain happy and successful.
Why are people still entertaining that plonk?
Yes like the 'divorce bill' we are waiting for the EU to present us with!
I don't think I ever claimed that, I think we can and should make more 'customised' deals in the future, that suit Britain with a pound sterling currency, outside the EU, than tag along with deals made essentially to underscore the Euro as well as trade, inside the EU.
Yes really, you cannot have divided loyalties when the two sides are opposing each other.
If he is a DIM (disinformation merchant) he's not doing his job very well. Sounds like he hasn't really got a coherent argument (par for the course I know) and he's not challenging those he's arguing against. It's embarrassing to see at times...