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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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GloryHunter07 said:
Or very cunning. Tell people what they want to hear, not what is actually true.
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I don't think the difference between 67 pence saved and 1 £ saved (for the butter) makes that much of a difference to the readers.

I'm not sold on this particular piece being some intelligent piece of propaganda. It's just one (stupid) mistake by a newspaper staffed with stupid people.
 
Abizzz said:
I don't think the difference between 67 pence saved and 1 £ saved (for the butter) makes that much of a difference to the readers.

I'm not sold on this particular piece being some intelligent piece of propaganda. It's just one (stupid) mistake by a newspaper staffed with stupid people.
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I doubt that's the case. Journalists at The Sun aren't really anymore stupid than journalists elsewhere - they're just getting paid to peddle a certain agenda. Most of them will be highly-qualified and very capable. In certain respects working for a tabloid can be even more demanding than a respected broadsheet, even if the superior quality of the latter is obvious.
 
There is not one single thing that is correct about that article, never mind the incorrect calculations.
Have they decided where they are going to buy these items from, have they already done the trade deals, tariffs aren't charged on the internal transportation, packaging within the UK, shop profits, staff salaries etc etc etc etc etc.
There are no tariffs if the items are bought from within the EU at the moment.

I especially like the one about the LG flatscreen TV where there currently is no tariff because of the EU trade deal, but there will be tariffs when the UK leaves, none of it makes any sense.

How do people believe all this crap, whoops, sorry forgot, Brexiters are highly intelligent people.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
There is not one single thing that is correct about that article, never mind the incorrect calculations.
Have they decided where they are going to buy these items from, have they already done the trade deals, tariffs aren't charged on the internal transportation, packaging within the UK, shop profits, staff salaries etc etc etc etc etc.
There are no tariffs if the items are bought from within the EU at the moment.

I especially like the one about the LG flatscreen TV where there currently is no tariff because of the EU trade deal, but there will be tariffs when the UK leaves, none of it makes any sense.

How do people believe all this crap, whoops, sorry forgot, Brexiters are highly intelligent people.
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And tell me if I'm wrong but the total absence of tariffs means that there will be no reasons for companies to produce anything in the UK and that the UK market will be flooded with products from cheaper countries. Also none of the big markets will have a free trade with soft customs control with a country that can be freely used as a backdoor for illicit products, for example chinese milk(cf. 2008 and 2013 scandals).
 
Cheesy said:
I doubt that's the case. Journalists at The Sun aren't really anymore stupid than journalists elsewhere - they're just getting paid to peddle a certain agenda. Most of them will be highly-qualified and very capable. In certain respects working for a tabloid can be even more demanding than a respected broadsheet, even if the superior quality of the latter is obvious.
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Nah, I don't buy that. The Sun (as far as i'm aware) isn't even making money anymore these days. The intelligent one is Murdoch, he gets all these "journalists" to work in his interest, they themselves are no less sheep than the readers they try to influence.

They could still work to decent journalistic standards (like WSJ for example), but they don't.
 
Cheesy said:
I doubt that's the case. Journalists at The Sun aren't really anymore stupid than journalists elsewhere - they're just getting paid to peddle a certain agenda. Most of them will be highly-qualified and very capable. In certain respects working for a tabloid can be even more demanding than a respected broadsheet, even if the superior quality of the latter is obvious.
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It could be either a propaganda piece or just someone completely fecking up the maths tbh. Both are perfectly believable. Probably more likely the latter.
 
Abizzz said:
Nah, I don't buy that. The Sun (as far as i'm aware) isn't even making money anymore these days. The intelligent one is Murdoch, he gets all these "journalists" to work in his interest, they themselves are no less sheep than the readers they try to influence.

They could still work to decent journalistic standards (like WSJ for example), but they don't.
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Makes me laugh that everyone thinks that all DM reporters are rabid right wingers. They're just normal individuals doing a job.
 
Jippy said:
It could be either a propaganda piece or just someone completely fecking up the maths tbh. Both are perfectly believable. Probably more likely the latter.
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Aye, in this case could be a feck up - but as you say regarding the DM most of the reporters working for them are fairly competent and just doing what they've been employed to do.
 
JPRouve said:
And tell me if I'm wrong but the total absence of tariffs means that there will be no reasons for companies to produce anything in the UK and that the UK market will be flooded with products from cheaper countries. Also none of the big markets will have a free trade with soft customs control with a country that can be freely used as a backdoor for illicit products, for example chinese milk(cf. 2008 and 2013 scandals).
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Yes correct, tariffs are a way of protecting your own market production. Furthermore the UK are known as being very lax already in this regard, currently I believe the UK owe the EU about 2.5 billion in non-collected VAT for example.
Had a few experiences over the years of the UK not applying laws they should have.
 
Jippy said:
Makes me laugh that everyone thinks that all DM reporters are rabid right wingers. They're just normal individuals doing a job.
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Yeah but doing their job includes spending a vast amount of their life working for Murdoch's interests, and i'm sure the more intelligent ones among them are aware of that. I know a lot of people dislike their employer... but there's a difference between disliking your employer and your employer being the prototype for a Bond villain (who's work his employees are doing).
 
Cheesy said:
Aye, in this case could be a feck up - but as you say regarding the DM most of the reporters working for them are fairly competent and just doing what they've been employed to do.
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They hire mainly from Oxbridge and a lot of journos spend a couple of years there for a laugh, then move to the Times or Telegraph or wherever.
Abizzz said:
Yeah but doing their job includes spending a vast amount of their life working for Murdoch's interests, and i'm sure the more intelligent ones among them are aware of that. I know a lot of people dislike their employer... but there's a difference between disliking your employer and your employer being the prototype for a Bond villain (who's work his employees are doing).
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I guess so, but most will just see it as a well paid job at the bestselling newspaper tbh. I know the Daily Mail pays well, for example.
 
Dobba said:
The chasm where Tony Blair's self-awareness should be is one of the true wonders of the world. Him coming out again to talk Brexit changes absolutely nobody's mind.
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Those whose mind cannot be changed based on who is making the argument have scant claim of having a mind at all.
 
Dobba said:
Then send someone who isn't the most hated politician in the country to deliver his message.
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Maybe he is the only one willing to clearly send the message because he is already hated?
 
Dobba said:
Then send someone who isn't the most hated politician in the country to deliver his message.
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He’s right though, it’s how trump got into power. Sometimes you have to suck it up and look beyond who is delivering the message.
 
The hard left do have an obsession with the past to the point where making sure everyone knows previous indiscretions of Labour figures matters more to them than actually beating the Tories and forming a government. Whether that be something major like Iraq when Blair enters into any debate, or the cry of 'traitor' whenever a non Corbyn sycophant MP says anything ever.
 
People underestimate how right wing the country is.
One old guy even say he didn't mind if his children and grandchildren were poorer.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
One of their star presenters James O'brien is as fanatical a Remainer as it gets.
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My point is that a radio giving Farage a platform attracts a certain type of listener...

I would say all of their hosts are highly opinionated and so are their listeners so there's no surprise regarding the poll.
 
My Mum just announced that she is upset that she had to renew her passport before they turn Blue. "Iconic"

:rolleyes:
 
GloryHunter07 said:
My Mum just announced that she is upset that she had to renew her passport before they turn Blue. "Iconic"

:rolleyes:
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She should do a Brexiteer and stay in the UK for good. Its a hostile world out there filled with 'foreigners'
 
Adisa said:
People underestimate how right wing the country is.
One old guy even say he didn't mind if his children and grandchildren were poorer.
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The hatred the UK older generation has towards the younger ones had always fascinated. I've never seen it anywhere else tbh.
 
This is the actual result from the poll -

Which of these is a greater priority for you?
That the United Kingdom leaves the European Union - 36
That the union between Northern Ireland and the rest of the United Kingdom is maintained - 29
Neither of these are important to me - 22
Don't know - 14

It's a fairly shocking indictment at the number of people that don't care about the NI situation, but has little or bugger all to do with how likely a second referendum would result in a remain vote.

For that, you'd need to look at the question the same polling company (yougov) asked earlier in the month -

In hindsight, do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the European Union?
Right to leave - 43
Wrong to leave - 45
Don't know - 12
 
Im not surprised that people dont care about NI tbh, as bad as it sounds. Its a long way away from Little England.
 
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Adisa said:
People underestimate how right wing the country is.
One old guy even say he didn't mind if his children and grandchildren were poorer.
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Interesting. You make me think maybe people really have become more materialistic, and it's money first before everything.

Personally I voted remain because I thought the probable economic damage of leaving outweighed any likely advantages. But in other circumstances, if I thought something would make the country safer, fairer, and more caring for instance, then I might well vote for it, even if it did make my children and grandchildren, or myself, poorer.
 
712 said:
Interesting. You make me think maybe people really have become more materialistic, and it's money first before everything.

Personally I voted remain because I thought the probable economic damage of leaving outweighed any likely advantages. But in other circumstances, if I thought something would make the country safer, fairer, and more caring for instance, then I might well vote for it, even if it did make my children and grandchildren, or myself, poorer.
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The context of what he was saying was, his children being poorer was a price worth paying for Brexit.
 
Adisa said:
The context of what he was saying was, his children being poorer was a price worth paying for Brexit.
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Yeah, I get that, and it could be a perfectly reasonable view, if he thinks they would be better off in other ways. I don't, but he might.

My post wasn't about him, it was about you, making me think about how materialistic some people are, as you seem unable to consider there might be other factors to life besides money.
 
712 said:
Yeah, I get that, and it could be a perfectly reasonable view, if he thinks they would be better off in other ways. I don't, but he might.

My post wasn't about him, it was about you, making me think about how materialistic some people are, as you seem unable to consider there might be other factors to life besides money.
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Out of interest, what sort of hypothetical scenario could you imagine where British citizens are worse off, financially, but better off in other ways as a result of Brexit? In what other ways would/could they be better off?
 
712 said:
Yeah, I get that, and it could be a perfectly reasonable view, if he thinks they would be better off in other ways. I don't, but he might.

My post wasn't about him, it was about you, making me think about how materialistic some people are, as you seem unable to consider there might be other factors to life besides money.
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I dont think it is materialistic to want to live in a stable and prosperous economic environment.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Out of interest, what sort of hypothetical scenario could you imagine where British citizens are worse off, financially, but better off in other ways as a result of Brexit? In what other ways would/could they be better off?
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The EU actually being a sort of autocracy which is if I'm not mistaken one of the main arguments used by anti EU movements.
 
JPRouve said:
The EU actually being a sort of autocracy which is if I'm not mistaken one of the main arguments used by anti EU movements.
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I get that. I'm just trying to understand how the benefits of being outside that autocracy might translate to the man on the street, despite him being poorer? Are we talking a sort of Cuban situation, where everyone is broke but they have exceptional free healthcare and education? Because that would just about work as a hypothetical scenario but seems incredibly far-fetched with the Tories in power. It's also hard to understand how leaving the EU would make that more likely to happen.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I get that. I'm just trying to understand how the benefits of being outside that autocracy might translate to the man on the street, despite him being poorer? Are we talking a sort of Cuban situation, where everyone is broke but they have exceptional free healthcare and education? Because that would just about work as a hypothetical scenario but seems incredibly far-fetched with the Tories in power. It's also hard to understand how leaving the EU would make that more likely to happen.
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If I'm not mistaken the brexit answer is that UK politicians would be directly accountable to the man on the street. But that's where some people point to the fact that your electoral system leads to a different outcome where like you said the Tories are likely to be in power and won't work for the man on the street; or someone like Blair could get the job.

Basically, you are right.
 
JPRouve said:
If I'm not mistaken the brexit answer is that UK politicians would be directly accountable to the man on the street. But that's where some people point to the fact that your electoral system leads to a different outcome where like you said the Tories are likely to be in power and won't work for the man on the street; or someone like Blair could get the job.

Basically, you are right.
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Not to mention that the EU is hardly the only large, multinational organisation we're in - we're also members of the NATO and UN, both of which obviously impede our ability to act certain ways in certain situations as a nation, irrespective of what the general public may think. Whether those multinational organisations do limit our independence and autonomy as a nation is another discussion but the idea we'll somehow be more free or 'independent' outside the EU strikes me as a fundamentally silly one. For better or worse an interconnected, cooperative world does mean compromising with other countries to a greater extent than before, and leaving the EU isn't suddenly going to sever our need to unite with them in plenty of situations.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Out of interest, what sort of hypothetical scenario could you imagine where British citizens are worse off, financially, but better off in other ways as a result of Brexit? In what other ways would/could they be better off?
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Well I tried to make it clear that I wasn't a Brexiter and wasn't talking specifically about Brexit, my point was that not everyone's opinion is dictated by their pocket alone.
 
Cheesy said:
Not to mention that the EU is hardly the only large, multinational organisation we're in - we're also members of the NATO and UN, both of which obviously impede our ability to act certain ways in certain situations as a nation, irrespective of what the general public may think. Whether those multinational organisations do limit our independence and autonomy as a nation is another discussion but the idea we'll somehow be more free or 'independent' outside the EU strikes me as a fundamentally silly one. For better or worse an interconnected, cooperative world does mean compromising with other countries to a greater extent than before, and leaving the EU isn't suddenly going to sever our need to unite with them in plenty of situations.
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Yup the asylum debate is a good example of it, lots of media act as if it was an EU thing when the EU is just respecting the Council of Europe position and the ECHR. Funnily enough, I have never heard anyone suggest that its country should leave the Council of Europe not even the worst politicians on the continent.
 
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