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Sho’nough.
But it’s not as satisfying as staying in.Who’s yer man?
It is unsurprising to see Dobba whinge about about Blair's hypocrisy, rather than debate the matters at hand.
This is such a bizarre train of thought. Anti brexit party get no votes. Pro brexit party ahead in polls. brexit must not be important enuff for people, I cant think of any other explanation. Maybe you can enlighten me.
If you hadn't noticed 95% of Labour MP's are pro-Remain but because Mr Limp Lettuce doesn't like the EU if you vote Labour you are only voting for what the Limp Lettuce wants. The UK has the worst PM in living memory but somehow the Limp Lettuce can't even overtake her in the polls and as he's pro-Brexit as well, why hasn't he overtaken her? Even the majority of Tory MPs are pro-Remain.
It's wonderful how democratic the British system is.
You know and I know that the LibDems will never be the governing party in the UK.
I haven't even said that the majority of the British people don't want Brexit, I'm saying in a years time they will be sorely regretting it if they leave with no deal, which is what they supposedly voted for.
I tried to quote him in that post but couldn't remember his name.
It was the CA Vampire but he bit off more than he could chew.
Not my business but if you do a second referendum a lot of people will start to think that democracy is pointless. When you lose a vote in you need to accept it.
Those 700k can protest and walk all they like, walk to the border and let them out. The fact is this whole campaign is pushed by people with big money and fools buy into it, especially when you have a prime minister who didn't want it in the first place and clearly don't care all that much. This is the real issue. The way this is narrated, plays on peoples fears and many get desperate or opportunistic. These people are no foundation of any nation worth much of anything.
Pretty much this. If there is a second referendum leave will win again, the best option people have is to somehow force a soft brexit.
Bear in mind that it was an advisory vote. It was non binding.
Voting once on an issue doesn't mean you can never vote on it again. As the Leave campaigners made clear before the initial vote.
If enough has changed in the meantime to make a material difference to the decision then there's no reason not to have another vote. People can always vote leave again if they maintain it's the correct decision in the face of all that's happened since, or if they object to a second vote in principle.
The only question ethically is whether enough has materially changed since the first vote to justify a second.
That's true but a second vote should not be entertained. We either have principles or we don't. We've seen many attempts to change peoples attitudes and it's not the people that is rotten. People fought and died at war to protect their lands and their people and the nations have been invaded covertly by playing on empathy using media and various propaganda. The borders need closing. Illegals deported. And we need to make our own laws. And then we need to take back (somehow) the ability to create money. So yeah it was an advistory vote but the spirit and the feeling was that there was no going back. What we see now are organised groups funded by whoever....and many people are very weak to all the fear mongering that goes round.
People that promote false ideology do not care about nations. If a nation cannot make it's own money, when in the past it could - you have to know why that is because only an idiot would allow anything or anyone to have power over it. You cannot be in debt to anyone if you make money. It's an important question. Because if you vote to leave, we the people have no say...and even when we do have a say it seems to me, some don't want us to have one.
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actually i fought to give away my land and have immigrants make our laws
Absolutely no chance imo, I know a tonne of leave voters that after 2 years, have finally realised they were completely bullshitted.
It'd be 60%+ to remain in a re-vote.
Whether or not a re-vote is democratic or not... hmmm, not sure, I just know the uninformed public should never have been the ones making this decision. Fecking Cameron and the conservatives.
Stubbornness and bitterness in place of a semblance of knowledge and logic seem to be the main attributes leave voters have. It's why the Tories will stay in power, why so many voted leave, and it's why many still pretend both are a good thing. Hopefully if there's a second referendum there won't be as big a deal made out of it, so all the numpties that had zero idea what was going on won't bother. That plus those who finally realised what was happening (duh) should see us over the line.
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I'd go for a reverse of the first result, 52% remain. A lot of people realise it was a sham but there's also a lot of "let's just get on with it"
Look at the alternative
I think 40% of them, maybe push to 45% would keep up their "get on with it". As I say, I know a tonne who'd reverse their decision for sure.
The best way forward is for both houses to vote on the final outcome and make whatever decision they feel is best for the country, the last thing they should be doing is asking the uninformed all over again.
Some of these folk aren't right in the head
2016 was the second vote. The first vote was in the 70's when you voted to join the EU.
Best of three is fair
Best of three is fair
From The Times today
And from early this month
Second Brexit referendum too close to call:
https://www.politico.eu/article/pol...um-too-close-to-call-theresa-may-deal-remain/
The thought of Corbyn in charge is just too much for some people.
And Labour is a Brexit party anyway.
the lib dems are anti brexit and right wing economically, if remain tories struggle to vote for the party that literally put them into power 8 years ago they're never going to vote for a left wing wing party
I don't think there will be a second referendum and I'm also not convinced the result would be that different as people haven't suddenly become intelligent.
However, in your opinion how long do you have to wait until people can change their mind. It's clearly not forever because the people overwhelmingly voted to join in 1975.
There is a General Election every 5 years, this bullshit is a one off.
I don't see why, now people know what they are actually in for, they shouldn't get a 2nd bite of the cherry.
I would image that like in the last referendum polling would change during campaigning. So for Remain to win it needs a bigger starting margin of more than a couple of points because leave would campaign on the whole stopping democracy thing.Doesn’t that directy contradict your claim that leave would win again
Without arguing the points you made, do you want a no deal Brexit? Because if it is a no deal, none of what has been said is scaremongering, that's what is going to happen, even the government are saying so.
By the way any country in or out the EU or on the other side of the world can deport illegal immigrants. It's the UK government who have always been responsible, have they been doing their job?
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I keep seeing this, if so, why don't they just change their mind and cancel this madness?
Initially, simple political weakness. Today, there is a withdrawal bill that has been voted, so they put themselves in a deeper hole. While democratically a second referendum would be fair, politically it would be suicidal.
There is so much wrong with this comment i really dont know where to start
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I think people fought a war to have peace in Europe, no?
Some of these folk aren't right in the head
umm. wow.
I think anyone with even the slightest degree of intelligence wouldn't think like that, they'd understand that making important decisions based on gross misrepresentation of facts and outright lies is a terrible idea, and that if anything not allowing somebody to change their mind after realising they've been lied to, would make democracy pointless. I can't think of anything more democratic than allowing a population the freedom to make a decision based on new facts, rather than what you're suggesting which seems to be 'tough shit, deal with it, you made your bed and now you have to lie in it' which doesn't seem very democratic at all.
I dont think you should leave. You should use the power of the UK to fix the European Union. From an ecomomic point of view i think its a disaster. Majority of international markets are under nationalist pressures now. I dont think you can make a good trade deal with the United States and trying to compete against them its pointless anyway. The only part of the world where you can find an open market big enough to replace the EU its in Asia. But a trade deal with Asia is economic suicide.
You've clearly not read many of Striker's posts in the CE forum then. They're always a fecking wild ride from start to finish.