He doesn't need to hear it. His mind is made up.
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I see that line being used by some remainers since 2016 arguing hey it never said what type of deal and suggesting a Norway deal for example or soft brexit. I doubt it.
Brexit is about leaving or remaining. People voting leave would expect to end FoM, stop being a net contributor to the EU whether it's £200-240m a month or £350m, an ability to do trade deals and not be under EU laws and jurisdiction and get back UK fishing waters.
I don't believe people voting leave were thinking of a Norway deal or some other soft brexit deal where we stay in this sacrifice that. Norway have FoM and pay 95% of the fee to the EU for example.
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I’d vote against it in the hope that, if we are still on the cliff edge in late March, there would be enough responsible MPs to avert disaster by voting to postpone Art 50. You can’t in good conscience reverse 45 years of integration, with the resulting enormous disruption, and make the UK poorer and less influential on the basis of a wafer thin referendum result influenced by outright lies and foreign powers.
Like it was made up before the referendum you mean, when he wrote two articles, one for and one against, until he decided which way to jump at the very last minute. He is supposed to be a prospective leader and should be trying to influence opinion, but whenever anything happens he becomes paralysed with indecision and disappears for days on end.
Looking at the beeb feed I think he's there with his brother now.
I would say he has probably drafted two responses and both are polar opposites. He will release whichever will lead to his chances of furthering his quest for power.
Agreed.
Whatever deal May could have brought back I don't see parliament agreeing to it. Labour will vote down any deal just trying to force a GE. And part of the Tories will never agree either. Never mind the DUp or SNP and the rest. Don't see how she gets the numbers to get any deal through. Btw imo Norway will be disastrous for the UK short of no deal.
You said it much more eloquently than I did!
If May wins and does so comfortably then her chances of getting her deal through increase. Boris will then need to swing in behind her if he wants to capitalise on the fact that she is probably be giving undertakings, right now, that she won't contest the next election as leader.
The party that backed May in this VoNC may not back Boris as leader if it becomes known he voted to oust her.
I don't think that Boris has declared his writing a letter. It is conceivable the he will actually vote for May tonight.
Are they fighting?
a true patriot!
Is it conceivable that we eventually get a Johnson v Johnson leadership contest with Jo winning? ALA the Millibands. Now wouldn't that be a
I agree no one voted for Norway (and why would you - it would be ridiculous for a country as big as the UK to be in that rule taker situation), but Leavers were constantly told that we could leave in the way you describe while having similar access to European markets as we enjoy today. No doubt a sizeable percentage of voters - some hardcore, ideological Brexiteers, as well as others who are unable to grasp, or too old, too alienated and/or too xenophobic to care, what a hard Brexit really entails - would still vote Leave if there was a second referendum tomorrow. But it’s disingenuous to assume that there is still 51.9% so exercised by sovereignty or fishing (0.2% of GDP!) that they are willing to plunge the country into chaos.
The problem with that is that the morons like Farage and the others didn't realise that staying in the single market meant keeping the 4 freedoms including freedom of movement and if they didn't, do you think the electorate did?
I honestly don't think the electorate knew what they were voting for. So to say they did is a bit foolhardy.
If only Dominic Raab and David Davis had taken a shot at the negotiations everything would be so much better!
Is it conceivable that we eventually get a Johnson v Johnson leadership contest with Jo winning? ALA the Millibands. Now wouldn't that be a
So long as the wrong Johnson doesn’t win, like what happened with the Milibands.
We got any bets on the number of Tory votes against May? I will go for a relatively sedate 78.
I agree that they had no idea what they voted for and still don't. I personally love the "No-one voted to be poorer" - unfortunately that's exactly what they voted for.
Christ, she can't even tell the truth about standing down before the next election.
That I would like to see with them as PM, would be hilarious.
No outcome of this vote will be good. If we get a cnut like Boris or Raab in charge...
True enough.
Looks like they had another long lunch in the pub today. How are points 1 and 2 compatible in practice unless this magic technology appears? How are equivalent regulations and the level playing field monitored and enforced after day 1?
All of these brexiteers are complete cowards look at JR Mogg already saying he wouldnt run for Parliament. How can these people continuously get away with this crap.
So they are backing May so that she can go back to the EU so she can renegotiate, which the EU won't do.
But even if the EU bowed down and agreed unilateral withdrawal from the backstop, the agreement still wouldn't pass through parliament.
What a kerfuffle.
But even if the EU bowed down and agreed unilateral withdrawal from the backstop, the agreement still wouldn't pass through parliament.
What a kerfuffle.
The WrongJohnsons is a good folk band name.
I wouldn't tangle with 'em.
Hello and a rapid goodbye to Uk's trade deal with Japan.
Would be a pretty bloody nose for her.
Even fewer. 65.
Will any abstain?
I think this is a move that the Brexiteers make purely because they have to, and can point back to this time at the next leadership election? Still, no-one wants to poison their future by being associated with Brexit, so they’ll let May fight this on her own, though they have to look to be fighting her as she does it.
Maybe ignore my last post. This would be dreadful...
What happens next is interesting
Rumors that votes for a spill range from 86 to 120.
I just don’t understand.
Maybe I’m too much of a logician, but surely there’s some joined up thinking here?! The Brexiteers must have realised by now that there’s no happy ending for them if they take charge of negotiations. The only situation I see that satisfies all parties is that they pretend to struggle, May’s deal eventually gets through, she then falls on her sword and everyone can spend the rest of the their careers pretending they could have “done Brexit better”.
David Davis is already playing that card after spending 18 months in charge of negotiations.
Maybe I’m too much of a logician, but surely there’s some joined up thinking here?! The Brexiteers must have realised by now that there’s no happy ending for them if they take charge of negotiations. The only situation I see that satisfies all parties is that they pretend to struggle, May’s deal eventually gets through, she then falls on her sword and everyone can spend the rest of the their careers pretending they could have “done Brexit better”.
David Davis is already playing that card after spending 18 months in charge of negotiations.
have the votes of the secret ballot already been counted?
They’re announcing the result at 9 apparently.