Given that she's attempted to take every step up to now without parliament I think it's a possibility she revokes article 50 and resigns if she can't get her deal across the line. (Not saying that it will happen, but given the historical clusterfeck no deal would be I think it's a possibility).
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With the Tories and Labour seemingly racing each other to see who is more useless, it’s a crying shame there is no third party who could come out and support remain and clean up in a GE.
Old people think young people are stupid. Young people think they know it all. All wankers if we’re being honest.
It really isn't and has been getting more right wing over the last few years.
You also don't need to be institutionalised, young or old to see that any form of Brexit is going to be incredibly damaging.
ah knew it was the unis what done it, getting shitfaced and last minute essays are basically points 1 and 2 in how to brainwash someone
I disagree, to quote somebody in another thread, the 'Caf is essentially a "left wing echo chamber"
Fair points, but answer me this. 4 towns off the top of my head local to me are literally full of eastern European immigrants. This is especially a problem in the two smaller town, in one of them they stand on the pavements all day long, shouting and roaring, very intimidating especially for women on their own, cheeky bastards too as I’ve heard of people catching them leaning on their cars etc when parked on the street. In another town the Romanians had to be chased out of it as they had been caught carrying out a spate of break-ins, the local catholic and the protestant churches were both done.
Now these people, the vast majority don’t seem to work, they but the government seem to be providing for them not a bother. Am I or is my local community racist for wanting something done about this blight?
It wouldn't be the EU putting a border anywhere, it would be the UK who could/would put a border in the Irish sea to preserve the Good Friday Agreement if/when the UK leaves the EU.
The Good Friday Agreement is about Northern Ireland and Ireland not Britain so different customs arrangements between NI and Britain wouldn't affect the agreement i don't think.
Plus i'm not sure how many unionists would actually be against a border in the Irish sea if it meant staying in the customs union and keeping things as they are now. Sure the DUP are against it but they are head bangers, that are going against the wishes of some prominent groups here like the Ulster Farmers Union and Northern Ireland business federations that wanted to go with Mays Brexit deal.
It's not a republican thing mate almost all the people in Ireland North & South are against a hard border.
The numbers in the GFA referendum were 78% in the North and 96% in the south, all those people voted yes to the GFA to have the current arrangements.
It will probably not surprise you that the DUP were the only party that campaigned for people to vote no to the Good Friday Agreement and peace.
Is this getting much coverage in Aus, Wib? Curious given the number of challenges to the various PMs over there in recent years, must seem like a routine occurrence.
I'm suffering the exact same problems. A lot of the Roma gypsies are utter scumbags. I just don't see how pigeon holing these people with hard working Poles and other Eastern Europeans helps? I also don't see why we have to wreck all the good things about the EU to sort out the riff raff?
I think;
1. Police could do a lot more. Move them on, put them in the cells if they argue, tackle street drinking, take a hard line zero nonsense approach. Get tough on modern slavery and prostitution (these lot are big into it).
2. Local councils could do more by being hard on anti social behaviour. Stop paying rent for anyone who is behaving in an anti social manner. Regularly inspect homes for overcrowding. Don't provide free translators to anyone.
3. They cause trouble across Europe, maybe there was a deal to be done Europe wide to refuse free movement to people with criminal records and deport those who commit crimes within 10 years of moving.
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For me the bottom line is trust. The EU might well be bad for us, but I don't trust the names and faces associated with Brexit to be working for a greater good.
It was all agreed and lodged with the United Nations in 1998 so it hasn't just been invented after the Brexit vote mate.
The truth probably is Cameron and the Tories never gave Northern Ireland a second thought when setting the referendum up in 2016. I certainly don't remember many if any of the British politicians talking about The GFA or the potential implications Brexit could have for Northern Ireland in the run up to the Referendum.
I would say thats definitely been the case mate, with most Tories it's probably a case of don't know or care about Ireland.
I've spoken to a few friends and guys i work with over the last few months from a similar background and some of them have came to feel that way.
Young people are naïve, old people should know better.
Aye, as a general rule it's usually safe to assume that people in mainland UK both care far less and know far less about NI than they should. Brexit has been a rather neat example of this, as demonstrated by the half-baked opinions on the issue that are still being put forward in this thread today.
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I don't think that's right,
It would undermine one side of the agreement because the people elected by the Unionists say they won't agree to a border in the North Sea. So if the GFA is the be all and end all when it comes to Brexit then the border has to be agreed by both parties in the North or the GFA is meaningless.
Also just so I know where you stand, you think that the UK shouldn't be allowed to leave the EU /CU/SM with all the territory it entered the common market with because of the GFA.
I don't think that's right,
It would undermine one side of the agreement because the people elected by the Unionists say they won't agree to a border in the North Sea. So if the GFA is the be all and end all when it comes to Brexit then the border has to be agreed by both parties in the North or the GFA is meaningless.
Also just so I know where you stand, you think that the UK shouldn't be allowed to leave the EU /CU/SM with all the territory it entered the common market with because of the GFA.
We haven't had a new PM in weeks now
It is getting some coverage, particularly on the quality tv stations - SBS and ABC. I don't really read Australian newspapers as the AU edition of The Guardian has much better reporting and many have pay walls anyway.
Corbyn as Lukaku makes perfect sense now.
Because the EU doesnt want a border. He wants the UK to stay in. Still does. Is the UK that wants out and one if the consequences of getting out of the CU, i remind, a UK choice, is a hard border. EU has to protect his citizens on immigration and consumers safety (like the mad cows) as UK will not be bind on EU regulations. And frankly, the EU can't go on goid faith on a serious topic like that. Specially after the many insults that the UK leadership had been doing on the whole process and even sonetimes talking not to pay up what UK would owe. No, is not equal weight when tge EU wants the UK to stay, has a solution for a no border (stay in the CU) but the UK says no. It's UK decision so the responsability, therefore the weight of breaking the GFA is sokely from the UK
Well put and something that a lot of the politicians don't seem to understand. It's our choice and the EU is under no pressure to sort the mess out for us.
Brilliant.
I'm oldish and I think old people can especially stupid at times. This is one of those times.
Im sure someone has already posted this, but here goes. Under EU rules we can already remove migrants that havent had a job for 3(?) months. We dont do so because the government is incompitent.
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Pretty sure it's three months.
What's condescending about my post, exactly? The poster I responded to was essentially saying that, was he not? Albeit in a far more eloquent and reasoned way than most Brexiteers. The problem however is that you can sugar coat these things all you want but ultimately it does come down to those basic phrases. His reasons for leaving the EU were essentially to "take back control". Just because it was a widely used phrase used by morons throughout the leave campaign doesn't make it any less true. He even said himself that he hates the phrase but didn't actually deny that it was in line with his thoughts.
Most of what he said was still outright false about Greece and the EU trying to create one big sovereign state and take power away from the UK anyway, just like what more leave campaigners say because in reality there are zero benefits to leaving the EU, they can all be rebuked with facts that show they're a load of bollocks.
Taking back control just means decentralisation of powers. Don’t see what’s so offensive about the phrase other than it’s been uttered by the extreme brexiteers but only a moron would be listening to them anyway.
I agree, there's nothing offensive about it nor claiming it's what a poster essentially wants, yet somehow it's condescending to use it because .. what .. Johnson and Farage used it during the campaign? Please.
If Piers Morgan said "sack Mourinho" I wouldn't suddenly go "well, err, no I don't want to sack him, that's a silly view, I just want him to.. not be here?"
Who said the North doesn't want it?
The DUP doesn't want it but they've weaseled their way into power as unelected representatives for NI during Brexit whose views are wrongly held up as those of the people.
I would imagine that all European countries have this kind of arrangement? In Italy you can stay for 90 days in one stretch - if you want to stay longer, you have to apply for residency which involves showing that you have enough money to support yourself and have a proper place of residence, amongst other requirements.
You could be right!
Exactly - all the normal folk in the north just don't want a hard border - if there is a border in the Irish sea that is no problem, in fact the backstop is a huge opportunity for NI generally imo.
You think? Why so?
not a trick question, I'm genuinely curious, I would have thought a split down the sea would still be a bit of a disaster for NI.
How about a referendum in Northern Ireland only, on the backstop.
Would the Dramaqueen Unionist Party go for that?
Would the Dramaqueen Unionist Party go for that?
Yeah it’s a bit strange. I don’t think many of the same people would argue about taking some control from Westminster and redistributing it to local authorities in the North, Wales etc.
There already is the makings of a regulatory border down the Irish sea with checks on livestock etc. at Northern Irish ports. The DUP haven't had any problem with the concept of such a border until now and the backstop would merely increase the level of those checks to protect what Northern Ireland producers can sell on into the EU while at the same time maintaining full access to the GB markets. It's a win win for the North and as such has the overwhelming backing from the Ulster Farmers Union and local business leaders.
It's not great of course - BREXIT in general is a disaster whatever way they do it - however having a border in the sea is a vastly better option than a hard border in Ireland. The best solution would be to not have BREXIT which most of us over here voted for.