I consider myself to be quite politically savvy but I’m completely lost. What the hell is fecking happening!!!!
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Stuff, my man. Stuff is happening.
Ditto. Is this just weak ass posturing from Corbyn or is this significant? Didn’t realise you had the vote of confidence in individual/government option, the latter seemingly being more symbolic rather than meaningful.
So...
Corbyns tactic is...?
Call no confidence is Theresa May...hope it gets rejected.
Call no confidence in government...lose
So no chance of a general election to break parliamentary deadlock
WA gets voted down....
Labour table second referendum which conservative remainers will back
Extend a50 for a vote.
I think remain is more likely to gain votes from those who were on the fence last time and didn’t really get the significance of the vote. The we want control daily mail feckers will not change their vote at all... whether they can add to their voter base is questionable as they’re getting older and dying off with each passing year.
Just saw Rees-Mogg on the beeb saying he was a loyal conservative 
Corbyn's plan is thus;
No backbenchers are going to vote against the government as a whole. By making the no-confidence vote only about Theresa May, there was more chance that the Brexiteers would vote against her.
After losing a no-confidence vote, Theresa May "would probably"* have to step down anyway.
If she stepped down, The Conservatives would have to pick a new leader.
Alternatively, she might stay on but have to listen to Labour more.
*Definitely not clear.
Sorry yeah, badly put. No deal brexit.
Go tough man Corbyn - we demand that parliament has a vote on this EU deal, yes Jeremy, it's the week commencing 14th January. Oh sorry , must have fallen asleep.
Exactly what I thought. Complete feckwit.
I don't think they expected anything out of the censure motion as any Tories voting for it would lose the whip. Purely a mechanism to keep up the headlines so it doesn't go quiet.
I don't agree with the above posts, delaying it a month is not an acceptable date for the vote.
I don't agree with the above posts, delaying it a month is not an acceptable date for the vote.
so these feckers get to have yet another vote??? I'm getting jealous.
I cant see any Conservative MPs siding with Labour.
Nor the dup...
She will Survive and the can kicked down the road till 14th
Fair enough. It's worryingly looking more and more likely, but I still can't believe a government would go the whole no deal route. Even leavers shouldn't want a no deal brexit.
Yeah, it's a public vote, any that do would be ending their career.
They've got until the 21st to have the vote as far as I'm aware.
May has obviously been playing for time and kicking the can down the road since day one and Corbyn's been asleep since way before the referendum.
The country has been sleepwalking all this time.
The man is a fraud.Just saw Rees-Mogg on the beeb saying he was a loyal conservative
Assuming they understand what a no deal Brexit means - apparently everything is going to be fine.
True. Media have a lot to answer for in all honesty. It's very depressing just how many people believe a no deal exit means everything stays the same.
ERG
The end of that article is infuriating. If they're actually still trying to get a legal end date on the backstop they're idiots. Exactly how many different ways can the EU tell them no?
ERG
You know what... If the support for a second referendum grows enough she might just get the erg back onside for her deal... Plus a few labour leavers.
Not sure it will be enough to offset the dup and she might even have a few pro EU conservatives to keep in line but I think it's going to be a lot closer than it would have been last week
ERG
If this means her deal gets passed - will this be Corbyn scoring an own goal? Perhaps he was right not to push for a no confidence vote all along...
His word is your bond.
Absolute fecking incompetence by Corbyn. This is becoming completely ridiculous. Demand a motion that the government have no duty to hold, and then look like an idiot by refusing to demand the stronger version because he knows damn well he can’t win it.
May must be laughing her ass off.
May must be laughing her ass off.
How exactly did No Deal not only become part of the conversation for Brexit and a real possibility but the preferable option for some. Surely no one who understands what it actually means and has nothing to gain from it would want the UK to crash out of the EU with No Deal?
Have any Politicians suggested withdrawing Article 50 and taking a more long term approach to Brexit?
At this stage with May's deal being so undesirable for most and no alternative deal with the EU being a possibility would it not be better to take the March deadline off the table and put plans in place to undo half a century of EU integration over like 5-10 years instead of overnight. It would also allow more time to try to find a viable solution to the border problem that would preserve the GFA.
Have any Politicians suggested withdrawing Article 50 and taking a more long term approach to Brexit?
At this stage with May's deal being so undesirable for most and no alternative deal with the EU being a possibility would it not be better to take the March deadline off the table and put plans in place to undo half a century of EU integration over like 5-10 years instead of overnight. It would also allow more time to try to find a viable solution to the border problem that would preserve the GFA.
Don't know about outlawing them completely but yeah if they are going to be used for decisions this important. Then they shouldn't be simple yes no questions in a hastily arranged referendum.
No because "just get on with it".
Are you suggesting he should have called the formal no confidence? People in here have been saying he should do it for weeks, it's clear if he had that he'd have lost and strengthened her further.
Because the psychopathic leavers and militant remainers have spent 2 years rubbishing any type of deal that doesn’t suit their own ideology. A total lack of responsibility from at least 90% of MPs and issue illiteracy from the other 10.
Stewart Lee put it eloquently.
“It wasn’t just racists that voted for Brexit, cnuts did. Stupid fecking cnuts”
No of course he shouldn’t. What he has done however just makes him look cynical and rather stupid. He has exactly one sensible move he could make, which is get fully behind a position and come out for it with everything he has. It’s too late for nonsense games and wait and see tactics. He’s playing high stakes poker and his hand isn’t strong. His demand for a new election just makes him look like he cares only about his parties ambitions and not about the country.
Corbyn needs to just come out and back a people’s vote and a second referendum and get businesses onside and ride that momentum. It is time to go to war - it isn’t going to be pretty but we can’t allow the Tories to control the narrative and let Brexit be carried out - it’ll take years to recover.
Whatever happens civil unrest is bound to occur - that is part and parcel of this situation - I expect mass scale rioting next year from either side but for the national interest it is better to get the right decisions done and then worry about the civil unrest later.
Whatever happens civil unrest is bound to occur - that is part and parcel of this situation - I expect mass scale rioting next year from either side but for the national interest it is better to get the right decisions done and then worry about the civil unrest later.
Yeah it's all so odd, the PM and politicians just going full steam ahead on probably the most complicated thing a country has ever tried to do with no real plan and a short (self imposed) timeframe.
And probably because they are more worried about their own careers and the future re-election chances of their party. Than they are about the country and people they are supposed to be serving.
Mourinho's gone, now we can get rid of Brexit 