Because it's easier than taking an achievable position... That and Corbyn is useless
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What the DUP really meant...
"After realising that no government will ever be desperate enough to entertain us in the future, and, that we'll never get a chance to push our lunatic, stone-age agenda on a serious platform ever again, we will support the government in confidence vote". Ends
"After realising that no government will ever be desperate enough to entertain us in the future, and, that we'll never get a chance to push our lunatic, stone-age agenda on a serious platform ever again, we will support the government in confidence vote". Ends
I’m no expert but it might be because the leader is a bit of a plum.
That's the current deal, Labour are talking about a new withdrawal agreement following a GE which the EU are open to discussing.
I still think the EU will renegotiate the current deal if we can say what we actually want and what will pass but that doesn't look likely
Oh really? What should he be doing then? Bearing in mind that the change needed in this country requires and electable Labour party and almost 50% of their base is dead set on BREXIT. What should he do? Exactly.
The UK Government and the EU talking is like watching two dead men walking discuss who dies first.
You're living in dreamland.
Corbyn made the same mistake
Thought Boris was a Brexiteer .Why would he want May to go back and negotiate.
Have I understood Boris as saying we can negotiate a deal than go all out Brixit?
Because those that advocated no deal are now sh!tt!ng themselves.
Tusk and I on the same wavelength. Out on the vote by 1 though.
yeah because negotiations wouldn't be at all different with an entirely different team of negotiators with a different philosophy.
Jesus, billionaires have really paid enough money to convince people in the UK that they need to be ruled over by a bent headmaster with a more acceptable accent. Grow a spine.
I just want to preface this by saying I respect your opinion, and I genuinely just want to be educated. Can you answer the following my friend?
Why would the EU not want 'no deal' more than Parliament? I am curious, surely a body of 27 countries = more equipped to deal with this than 1?
How are they negotiating irresponsibly? They were never going to move their 4 primary principles for anyone, as that would be more damaging than a loss of revenue.
I repeat, I am here in peace, I don't quite understand this all.
No deal carnage here we come! Part of me is looking forward to seeing how bad this gets.
You’re a nutcase. Pointing out Corbyn is incompetent doesn’t mean someone is a fecking Tory. Fecking pay attention for a change. The whole fecking lot of them are cnuts right now - including most of the labour MPs.
Watching Farage, JRM and Johnson being chased through the streets by rabid Brexiteers screaming "You lied to us" would be worth watching.
Some proof of this figure, please?
Not what I said, at all. But please enlighten me on how Labour should seek power by doing anything different. Go ahead...
I hope I am, because it's not what I want. In the end of the day, the EU know it's a bad deal, but when the're negotiating with a Parliament that is 75% in favour of remaining in the EU, and will not accept a no deal, they can start negotiations offering very little, and adjust it marginally in order to mostly get they want until the UK decides in the future to rejoin.
This whole scenario shows just how out of touch Parliament is with the electorate.
It works in this context, doesn't it.
You should be an MP
No, they didn't. Not at all. No. Nope, Nein. Noooope. never. BS. No, no, nope. no. Noooope. not.no? nonononono. nooooooooooo
Where unicorns run free
I wish he would call for a second referendum.
No confidence vote is going to be a waste of time.
Ballpark, probably not accurate, and, let's face it, I've been drinking. However, in some areas, Labour have only gained power by the collapse of UKIP. There is an election-winning swing to The Tories if they take the Liberal Democrat position, as much as I would fecking love them to. I'm really not in a position to offer a good fight right now, but I've a memory of this particular edition of Today in Focus, which illustrated Labour's not-so-black-and-white dilemma.
The maths are much more complicated than I originally stated. My bad, but the point I was trying to illustrate with them was the complexity of the situation.
It would be easier to woo so many people by taking a different position, but it's not that easy, calling Corbyn incompetent is not seeing the actual picture.
In my opinion, they've played it exactly how they had to, to stand any chance of ever gaining power and changing this country for the good, and in more significant ways than EU membership.
So you saying majority of electorate want a no deal scenario?
I hope I am, because it's not what I want. In the end of the day, the EU know it's a bad deal, but when the're negotiating with a Parliament that is 75% in favour of remaining in the EU, and will not accept a no deal, they can start negotiations offering very little, and adjust it marginally in order to mostly get they want until the UK decides in the future to rejoin.
This whole scenario shows just how out of touch Parliament is with the electorate.
It's time to go, Robbie, it's time to fecking go now. It is not acceptable any more
If you don't explore every avenue, then you'll be seen as guilty of failing 'the will of the people'. Everything must be tried.
You guys really fecked up, didn't you
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Stop pretending he can negotiate a deal which passes his 6 tests and make a definitive stance as to what labours policy is going to be in respect of backing or not a second referendum and what they would stand on if he could force a ge.
So you think Corbyn's really a Remainer just supporting Brexit to get into power? Strange, I think he's really a Brexiter that lied about being a Remainer before the referendum because he knew his activist base were mostly Remainers. Still, at least we're agreed he's a power-seeking liar, so as to What should he do? I suggest telling the fecking truth would be a good start.
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The referendum was not about trying to seek a deal if leave won, which is why Cameron resigned. It was May who introduced the desire for a deal.
Cameron was very clear what remain and leave meant, and was also very clear that he thought the UK was better off in a REFORMED EU.
If the big corporates and banks, along with Parliament have no desire to leave the EU, why offer a referendum?
It was the rate at which euro scepticism is growing that forced Cameron to include a referendum in order to win a majority government. Then when the vote went against him he resigned because he understood that the vote meant "out of everything, but get a trade deal if we can". Parliament is now overruling this, and we are now in a situation where Parliament are trying to tell us that no one really knew what we were actually voting for.
Complete shitstorm by the Torries.
Cameron should be impaled.
Cameron should be impaled.
If the no confidence deal fails (which it will), then is the Labour strategy definitely to call for a second referendum? Or is that not confirmed by anyone particularly senior/official?
In corbyns closing remarks he sounded more likley to call for a Norway style deal than s 2nd ref... "Accept the result... Will of the people etc"...
But officially no policy other than force a general election... Which as you say he will fail to do tomorrow
The shadow business secretary was asked that very question by Andrew Neil after tonight’s vote and she refused to give a straight answer.