devilish
Juventus fan who used to support United
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You dont get it do you. UK will get freedom to do its own deals that alone is worth the price. EU rules were already being followed regardless. Now they will only be need to be followed by the companies dealing with EU rather than everyone.
To put it simply, A deal where youre wife is lets you to get on with the office sluts as long as you play by her rules when you are at home and pay her for groceries. Sounds like a fun deal.
Single market door is closed.If the door is closed 8% of highly unionised french workforce will become redundant. France will see crippling strkies much worse than the one's seen this year.
Why not activate article 50 right now? Read my earlier post. Our govt was so confident of a remain vote that they did not do any ground work. Once this ground work is done, it will be a straight forward process.
If you think UK is not the bigboy of the group then you are deluding yourself. Furthermore, if you think any country will be able to stop a deal if France and Germany agreed then its just laughable.
Both UK and EU will try to show their voters that they negotiated hard and will present a win for their side. In the end nothing much will change.
You don't have any idea idea how trade deals work don't you? Have you ever heard about economy of scale? So let me give you an idea. You've got two nations who are sealing a trade deal. Both will want things done their way and the one whose got the biggest clout tend to get the lionshare of things.
So lets say the UK want a trade deal with China. China may be ok with that as long as products are produced to its own standards and most of the deal are made according to its rules. Now lets say the UK complain that it doesn't want toys being produced with poisonous stuff or they don't want crap being sprayed on its tomatoes . Do you think that China, will just change its entire industry for a tiny country the size of 1/3 of Texas? Do you seriously believe that you will be in a position to tell the US to stick TTIP up their arse because Westminster doesn't like this or that clause? Why would the US even bother offering you the same deal it gave the EU when you're smaller and more isolated? They might as well bully you in a worse deal.
That's exactly what is happening with the EU at the very moment and that's why the UK is begging for preliminary talks instead of keeping its promise with the electorate and trigger article 50 immediately. They know that they cant afford losing the single market and if they do trigger article 50 without any preliminary promise then things will get sour. The EU takes ages to seal a deal. Such delay is necessary because it has nearly 30 countries to deal with and its standards are pretty high. Take Canada as an example. Canada had always been an ally to the EU, its a continent in its own right, it has high standards in terms of quality and human rights and yet even they had to wait 7 years to sort a deal. What would happen to a much smaller country, whose so dependent on the single market, who had just pissed off most of the countries by insulting them and whom the EU's very existence depends in it not giving the UK a good deal in the first place (to avoid creating a precedence?)? No to forget that one's misfortune is usually one's fortune. Frankfurt and Paris wouldn't mind becoming Europe Financial center wouldn't they?
Regarding 'big boys' no one in Europe is a big boy. All individual countries are a drop of rain compared to the true giants ie India, China, the US, Canada and Russia. We're a heavily fragmented continent made up of elderly people, with little natural resources and who have found guilty of ruining the world thanks to colonialism and two world wars. Countries like China and the US are continents on its own rights, they have resources, they are autonomous and they have great potential. That's why Germany, France and co had ganged up together and that's why we are trying to make this not perfect union work. GB was a great asset in the European union but in isolation its the Guernsey of the world.
If the UK is lucky to be offered Norway's deal, it will have to abide to EU laws, it will have to contribute greatly in the budget, it will have to accept unlimited EU immigration and on top of that it must do that in silence. Rules can and will change but you will have no say whatsoever. The British voice doesn't matter in Europe anymore. That's the best case scenario btw.
I talk from experience mate. Its not nice being that small isolated island sitting at the fringes of Europe. If Malta didn't do Maltexit and instead became British then the UK (including us) would have been richer and safer.
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