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McLovin said:
David Davis has just said that the government would consider EU budget contributions in return for single market access.

Get the popcorn out.
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So Davis is in favour of paying for single market access while Boris is in favour of freedom of movement. Weren't we told that the EU would be desperate to seal a deal with the UK and will accept anything thrown at it? It looks like things are a teeny weeny different isn't it (reversed roles and all that)

He'll have complete control on when to render his resignation after the dust settles
 
JPRouve said:
People aren't going to eat less fish, the fish is bought by european companies and sold everywhere in the world. The EU is mainly a hub, it is like the flower market in Amsterdam, the UK sells a huge amount of their production to the wholesaler that are installed in Amsterdam and those wholesaler are going to continue their business with the UK and won't suffer.
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Just referred to Germany here because I brought up those 2,3 percent and how that is pretty much insignificant.
 
fcbforever said:
Classic example of why Brexit could even happen: complete denial or criminally low levels of understanding of economics.
Should UK fish get more expensive due to tarrifs, we do not need to replace it with anything. Because it isn't essential to anyone. People will simply eat a bit less fish overall and buy way less of expensive British fish. Easy as that.
This case probably shows best why Brexit is such a feck up.
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laughably wrong
 
JPRouve said:
I have to admit that it's a strange differentiation, British nationals are ex-pats while EU nationals are migrants.
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Not really, i'm sure the dutch may call me migrant but I refer to other brits as expats and likewise dutch in the uk for ex, may call themselves ex pats

An expatriate (often shortened to expat) is a person temporarily or permanently residing, as an immigrant, in a country other than that of their citizenship. expatriate
 
NM said:
Well most of the world is used to white = ex-pat and non-white = immigrant. It's not fair, but that's how it's used.

It's just a term used to create 1st versus 2nd class immigrants honestly.
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Again wrong

An expatriate (often shortened to expat) is a person temporarily or permanently residing, as an immigrant, in a country other than that of their citizenship
 
Stanley Road said:
Not really, i'm sure the dutch may call me migrant but I refer to other brits as expats and likewise dutch in the uk for ex, may call themselves ex pats

An expatriate (often shortened to expat) is a person temporarily or permanently residing, as an immigrant, in a country other than that of their citizenship. expatriate
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As an immigrant, so both groups of people mentioned in that sentence are immigrants and the paper made a difference for the sake of it?
 
Stanley Road said:
Again wrong

An expatriate (often shortened to expat) is a person temporarily or permanently residing, as an immigrant, in a country other than that of their citizenship
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So temporarily or permanently residing as an immigrant. It effectively says you're an immigrant, why the need to term it as something else?
 
matherto said:
So temporarily or permanently residing as an immigrant. It effectively says you're an immigrant, why the need to term it as something else?
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Expat= wealthy
Immigrant = scum

At least that seems to be the breakdown in the middle east... I mean it's not the expats working in the building sites lugging bricks around with fek all safety
Nor is it the immigrant community working in the senior petrochemical jobs
 
Expat v migrant depends on where you come from and where you are working at a particular time. I would never have described myself as a migrant in Russia as I was moving from a richer to a poorer country. Nor would any Russian I know have described me as such - migrant was someone from Central Asia. In the EU, the same sort of principle applies, rightly or wrongly - so in the UK there are French expats as it is a sideways move but Latvian migrants as they are moving to a wealthier place.
 
JPRouve said:
As an immigrant, so both groups of people mentioned in that sentence are immigrants and the paper made a difference for the sake of it?
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Dont know about the paper.

Listen, woody guthrie was singing about migrant workers in the US in the 40s, its not a new word, go listen to Pastures of Plenty.
 
Stanley Road said:
Again wrong

An expatriate (often shortened to expat) is a person temporarily or permanently residing, as an immigrant, in a country other than that of their citizenship
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No. I explained the difference in practicality and how it is used. not the dictionary
 
Expat is a term generally applied to OAPs seeing out their years in Spain or France.

The term immigrant is generally used for folk coming in to the country for work.

If you are talking about someone young who has left the UK to make a new life somewhere else you would say they have 'emigrated'. I don't know if it is just me but I wouldn't term people like this as 'expats' or 'immigrants'.
 
NM said:
No. I explained the difference in practicality and how it is used. not the dictionary
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You are looking for something thats not there, we're all migrants per definition. Do you think its ok for black people to use the word Nigger but not white people?
 
matherto said:
So temporarily or permanently residing as an immigrant. It effectively says you're an immigrant, why the need to term it as something else?
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Some British people are incredibly self-important. They don't want to be classified as being the same all of those dirty immigrants who would sink the island if they were allowed to flood in as they would like to.
 
sun_tzu said:
Expat= wealthy
Immigrant = scum

At least that seems to be the breakdown in the middle east... I mean it's not the expats working in the building sites lugging bricks around with fek all safety
Nor is it the immigrant community working in the senior petrochemical jobs
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Not completely true. A lot of south asians in middle east are richer than the western hospitality and public relations workers.

I think the simple defn is that an expat does not intend to change his nationality while an immigrant wants to change his nationality for one reason or the other.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Expat is a term generally applied to OAPs seeing out their years in Spain or France.

The term immigrant is generally used for folk coming in to the country for work.

If you are talking about someone young who has left the UK to make a new life somewhere else you would say they have 'emigrated'. I don't know if it is just me but I wouldn't term people like this as 'expats' or 'immigrants'.
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They are synonyms, there is no difference between them at the exception that the word immigrant is used pejoratively.
 
JPRouve said:
They are synonyms, there is no difference between them at the exception that the word immigrant is used pejoratively.
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I disagree. The term expat is how British people refer to other British people with money that have chosen to live in another country as a lifestyle choice whilst the term immigrant would be used for someone coming into the country looking for work and opportunity.

They define two different migration dynamics in practical use.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I disagree. The term expat is how British people refer to other British people with money that have chosen to live in another country as a lifestyle choice whilst the term immigrant would be used for someone coming into the country looking for work and opportunity.

They define two different migration dynamics in practical use.
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They are literally synonyms, there is no agreements or disagreements.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
I don't think I have read a post as wrong as this in a very long time. I am not sure if this is sarcasm because of how wrong it is. I can't see any white text so I'm going for pure ignorance, you have heard of fishing quotas and that British fishermen would love to land more fish but they are forbidden from doing so because their catch is restricted.

How on earth can you come to conclusion that they are lazy and don't want to go out and fish when the days they are forced to stay in port because they have met their assigned quotas is killing them financially?
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Nah mate the quota for British Fish is mostly owned by foreigners, sold by our governments to British Fisherman who sold onwards to foreign ones.

It's a daft idea to have competition on catching fish, you allocate each country a share otherwise there will be no fish left in the ocean
 
The government have refused a Freedom of Information request related to releasing the letter sent to Nissan due to it being sensitive information. Obvious state aid is obvious but I expect a prominent Brexiter to come strolling in and tell me I am talking nonsense.
 
Stanley Road said:
You are looking for something thats not there, we're all migrants per definition. Do you think its ok for black people to use the word Nigger but not white people?
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There is a clear demarcation that you have been priveliged/lucky enough not to see or experience. I'm not going to go further.
 
Rightnr said:
The government have refused a Freedom of Information request related to releasing the letter sent to Nissan due to it being sensitive information. Obvious state aid is obvious but I expect a prominent Brexiter to come strolling in and tell me I am talking nonsense.
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Dear Nissan,

Look, we're just fecking the old folks, we're not really going to brexit

Theresa May
xoxo
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NM said:
There is a clear demarcation that you have been priveliged/lucky enough not to see or experience. I'm not going to go further.
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I think that he sees it, everyone sees it. The author could have wrote "British and EU expats" or "British and EU immigrants" but he decided to make a "qualitative" distinction.
 

No wonder MP's will be exempt from the Snoopers Charter. Finding out Theresa May's google searches wouldn't paint her in a good light.

"What does Brexit mean?"

"Does Brexit mean Brexit?"

"Who is Jeremy Corbyn?"

"How do you make your foreign secretary look like an idiot?"
 
Chorley1974 said:
Question time is a car crash for anti Brexit tonight.
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Johnson and Davidson have spoken well, but the NS journalist has been fairly terrible. The quality of the debate is dreadful though.
 
JPRouve said:
You were an immigrant and now you are a Dutch without documents.
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Dont talk out of your hole man, i am a brit living abroad. Unlike cnuts in this thread that want to stay in the uk but moan about not being able to in x years.

Its like me saying i cant just go and live in the states even tho i have no intention to

Christ on a bike
 
Stanley Road said:
Dont talk out of your hole man, i am a brit living abroad. Unlike cnuts in this thread that want to stay in the uk but moan about not being able to in x years.

Its like me saying i cant just go and live in the states even tho i have no intention to

Christ on a bike
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Calm down, I was joking.
 
fcbforever said:
Classic example of why Brexit could even happen: complete denial or criminally low levels of understanding of economics.
Should UK fish get more expensive due to tarrifs, we do not need to replace it with anything. Because it isn't essential to anyone. People will simply eat a bit less fish overall and buy way less of expensive British fish. Easy as that.
This case probably shows best why Brexit is such a feck up.
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Well all the evidence over the last 30 years is that in fact you do exactly that and cause major problems in the areas you now start to take fish from but hey post truth thinking about Brexit should work both ways it is only fair. Fishing out stocks of fish is now according to you a Brexit fallacy despite the fact the EU introduced quotas to stop it, go figure.

It is so easy that all around the world all the edible fish are thriving like never before because, and we heard the genius here first folks so let us put it in bold, we can just eat something else. Why oh why didn't we think of this earlier the environmental lobby who say the exact opposite in almost every survey on fish stocks can pack up and go home, we are all saved by fcbforevers magic thinking.

Next up , wars why can't we just not have any more?
 
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