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Its like project fear in here all over again.

Paul, I'm also not proud to be British, i am however very proud to be English.
 
The reason we have the electoral system in US is to protect the smaller states and we can see in EU would be no protection at all, if France and Germany decide to elect someone then they would win all the time.

Rhode Island gets an equal number of electoral college votes as California? Oh wait..
 
It's not directly proportional.

barros's statement probably makes more sense in the context of the Senate, where every state has two Senators, regardless of the population of the state.

No, its not directly proportional, but its not nearly as even as say.. every state being able to veto any treaty change they want, like the EU.
 
The odd bit of nice scenery does not encourage me to be proud to be English, need something more, it is a genuine question.
How can you not like the place you were born? Unless you were born in Chad maybe or Aleppo. I never say I'm british because I'm not, I am English.

Why are you not proud then?
 
How can you not like the place you were born? Unless you were born in Chad maybe or Aleppo. I never say I'm british because I'm not, I am English.

Why are you not proud then?

You're English, British, European and an Earthling because that was where you were born geographically.

You may have loved where you grew up, I did, fantastic place when I was young. People who were brought up in the worst tenements in some crumby city estate may like that as well.

But that is removed from being proud of being English - fair, tolerant, friendly, helpful, innovative, cultural, what happened to this, or was it always just a myth.
 
cos its beautiful place. As i have said before, would be happy to move back if i did not have to work there.
So England is a beautiful place but Scotland, Wales and NI aren't? Or why the distinction between Britain and England?
 
You're English, British, European and an Earthling because that was where you were born geographically.

You may have loved where you grew up, I did, fantastic place when I was young. People who were brought up in the worst tenements in some crumby city estate may like that as well.

But that is removed from being proud of being English - fair, tolerant, friendly, helpful, innovative, cultural, what happened to this, or was it always just a myth.

I'm all of those things
 
But why then the distinction between I'm not proud to be British but English?
I dont see myself as British, the same way my mrs sees herself as dutch and not European. I dont know enough about the other constitutional countries in the uk to have an opinion on them or an affinity.
 
The odd bit of nice scenery does not encourage me to be proud to be English, need something more, it is a genuine question.


It is not a genuine question it is a wind up and a pretty stupid conceited one at that, so in the same vein I would say mostly because people like you leave. You have to be proud of a country that can manage to oust people like you and then make them feel so good about it, England crushing it right there.
 
It is not a genuine question it is a wind up and a pretty stupid conceited one at that, so in the same vein I would say mostly because people like you leave. You have to be proud of a country that can manage to oust people like you and then make them feel so good about it, England crushing it right there.

Thought you'd come out of the woodwork, Mr pseudo-remainer, no-one ousted me, you show your true colours yet again.
 
EU is a failure and would be a disaster when crashes at least UK would be already out. The idea was good the intentions not so good, I believe in an economic bloc but not political, were aren't like US and will not work, too many languages and cultures and too many interests, the bigger countries always getting the front seat. The reason we have the electoral system in US is to protect the smaller states and we can see in EU would be no protection at all, if France and Germany decide to elect someone then they would win all the time. When the economy is bad the US federal government injects money in those states from money coming from richer states and what the EU did with Greece and Portugal showed to the Europeans the EU was made for the smaller states to buy goods from the bigger/richer states with loans from the same bigger/richer states to the point they are completely broken.

No they won't, candidates are subjected to the EU council vote and in that council every country has one voice.
 
EU is a failure and would be a disaster when crashes at least UK would be already out. The idea was good the intentions not so good, I believe in an economic bloc but not political, were aren't like US and will not work, too many languages and cultures and too many interests, the bigger countries always getting the front seat. The reason we have the electoral system in US is to protect the smaller states and we can see in EU would be no protection at all, if France and Germany decide to elect someone then they would win all the time. When the economy is bad the US federal government injects money in those states from money coming from richer states and what the EU did with Greece and Portugal showed to the Europeans the EU was made for the smaller states to buy goods from the bigger/richer states with loans from the same bigger/richer states to the point they are completely broken.
Your statement is incorrect from two perspectives:
First of all, as @JPTrouve pointed out, almost all candidates must pass the council where each country, whether Luxembourg (population in 2013: 0.543m) or Germany (population in 2013: 80.62m), has one single vote.
Secondly, there are many positions where the European Parliament must also give their blessing, e.g. the Head of the Commission. It was only because of the Parliament's perseverence JC Juncker got his current President of Commission job; neither Cameron nor Merkel wanted him.

In the EP, there are 751 seats, among them 96 for German MEPs and 74 for French MEPs. Even if all German and all French MEPs were pulling the same rope, there is no way their 22.6% share of votes can push anybody or anything through.

BTW: You can find all this and much more on the EU's structure and set-up on the EU websites.
 
Thought you'd come out of the woodwork, Mr pseudo-remainer, no-one ousted me, you show your true colours yet again.


Mr pseudo Frenchman,


I'm not in the woodwork I'm living in England and you aren't anymore and you are out of touch.


"The odd bit of nice scenery does not encourage me to be proud to be English, need something more, it is a genuine question."


You really think it is still our role to give you something to be proud of after you decide to become French, isn't that now the EU's role and if you feel they are failing take it up with them.[/QUOTE]
 
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Mr pseudo Frenchman,


I'm not in the woodwork I'm living in England and you aren't anymore and you are out of touch.


"The odd bit of nice scenery does not encourage me to be proud to be English, need something more, it is a genuine question."


You really think it is still our role to give you something to be proud of after you decide to become French, isn't that now the EU's role and if you feel they are failing take it up with them.

You're not seriously suggesting he's somehow less English because he moved to France are you? Because that would be stupid in the extreme.
 
You're not seriously suggesting he's somehow less English because he moved to France are you? Because that would be stupid in the extreme.


That would be exactly as stupid as suggesting someone who voted remain is a pseudo remainer because post the referendum you disagree with them about how we deal with the result and its effect.

Knock yourself out taking issue with such posters just as you jumped in here with me.
 
That would be exactly as stupid as suggesting someone who voted remain is a pseudo remainer because post the referendum you disagree with them about how we deal with the result and its effect.

Knock yourself out taking issue with such posters just as you jumped in here with me.

Ah I see, I didn't realise you were trying to win the argument by matching stupid things he said. Unorthodox approach.
 
May: "let these cnuts carry on talking about the standard shape of bananas, I'm off to the pub"

More like off to raise council tax, make everyone poorer and inflame tension within the country with dumb speeches with no substance.
 
The question I ask these people is, how do they think voting out of Europe would help them?

They treated the question "should the UK remain part of the EU?" as "would you like to tell London to f*ck off?". Cameron should have known that might happen if he spent more time out of West London and Oxfordshire.
 
They treated the question "should the UK remain part of the EU?" as "would you like to tell London to f*ck off?". Cameron should have known that might happen if he spent more time out of West London and Oxfordshire.

Thats actually a great idea. London and Scotland leave the uk, with the former becoming the capital city of europe. Hard borders are raised with wales and the remaining uk and everyone will be happy. Liverpool could become the financial capital of brexit uk.
 
More like off to raise council tax, make everyone poorer and inflame tension within the country with dumb speeches with no substance.

Some one must pay taxes on McDonald's behalf