Best post I've read on here in a while.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Best post I've read on here in a while.
Not sure I agree with all of that but one thing is for sure, involvement of European armies in these civil wars certainly invited extremists to retaliate on mainland Europe. Why should western countries decide that some hotspot needs regime change? So while there have been no wars in Europe since the forming of the EU. European countries don't mind and seem to thrive on getting involved in other peoples disputes
She's Dutch, isn't she? You know they don't want any of those pesky European foreigners invading their green and pleasant land.
They will, they do for non EU nationals and your Mrs will be treated the same once we've left
Trust me they wont
The EU has no say on what European armies do. The UK was the main reason to that. In matter of fact the UK still argues that the continent is safer if Europe is still military 'protected' by a coalition lead by a warmonger, whose got a thriving military industry and whose geographical location makes it impossible for it to be hit by any refugee saga. The no 1 terrorist donor is a US/UK ally, Islamist Iran is a UK/US brainchild, Isis fight with US weaponry, Iraq and Libya were turned into little Somalia by this US lead coalition and the list go on and on.
Now imagine if the EU doesn't depend on these gentlemen for protection. When the US decides to help topple yet another country with the aid of her usual Pinky, a military independent EU might be able to argue that they aren't so keen on it. After all if the US really cant resist wars then maybe they should cause one closer to home were they can enjoy the full brunt of the consequences they cause. Russia and China who tend to live, pretty close to the same region, the US/UK just love to upset may agree with them. Who knows, maybe together they can agree to sanctions against the US/UK if they decide to go through with their plans. They might even help the locals too to fight invasion. We all know what happened the last time the US went solo (ie without European help) in a war were China and Russia got pretty involved in don't we?. There's plenty of movies about it. My favourite is Platoon.
Trust me they will. They have a pledge to get migration down to the 'tens of thousands', they don't care who they hurt as they try to achieve it
Probably just subject to the same stuff as non eu spouse... prove relationship, get spouse visa granted abroad before coming over, prove six months earnings at a certain level (in uk)... all the crap I had to do with a Chinese wife who had lived in uk for ten years anyway!
it doesn't matter, terrorism has come to Europe because of it's involvement in civil wars
My friend has got his philipino wife permanent residency in NL within 3 months of her being here, first she was granted 6 months and now perm. within 1 week she had 2 jobs. Paul and co have fallen for Camerons north korea scaremongering unfortunately and are prepared to make sweeping statements before any negotiations start.
Well in truth nobody knows what will happen... personally I hope that if they do decide to treat eu the same as everybody else they look at the existing process and realise that at least from an admin point over view it's a clusterfek ... if they will look at the ethical stuff around income etc I have no idea... but for sure you couldn't put significantly more people into an already breaking process without it totally breaking
We are not talking about Holland here but the UK. Belive me as someone who's had the pleasure of going through the current system, they'll happily keep your Mrs out the country, they have a target to hit
Well lets wait and see
Project fear
What!!! All predictions and statements I have made had nothing to do with Cameron or anybody else for that matter, just common sense which appears to be severely lacking in a large section of the UK population
Mate, you forecast doom and misery just like Cameroon. you are project fear personified
I said severe economic downturn and problems of a divisive society and still stand by every single word I've said. Nothing about fear, as of this moment it has gone exactly the way I thought it would, the pound is in the range 1.10 - 1.20 against the Euro as I said in April ,which it has been for the past 5/6 months and will drop further when A50 is triggered and more if it is a hard brexit nevermind all the other ensuing problems. Trump getting voted in has pushed it up a bit.
Just hope for a soft Brexit
Stanley likes his eyes firmly shut and his ears firmly closed. He's the epitome of hope based on no substance whatsoever which is so representative of so much of Brexiters' views on reality.
He doesn't like it when this is pointed out to him because facts go against the narrative, similar to how rival fans do not like it being pointed out referees' mistakes cost Manchester United as much if not more than rival teams.
Well, reality bites at some point and you can't keep running, as May will find soon enough when she has to face the consequences of a country that will be worse off economically for an extended period of time.
He doesn't like it when this is pointed out to him because facts go against the narrative, similar to how rival fans do not like it being pointed out referees' mistakes cost Manchester United as much if not more than rival teams.
Well, reality bites at some point and you can't keep running, as May will find soon enough when she has to face the consequences of a country that will be worse off economically for an extended period of time.
Id wait and see if i were you. There again the initial signs arent great
Stanley's contributions to this thread summed up in three posts there.
And they call remainers, remoaners.
Gary Lineker told a joke on the BBC and Brexiters are absolutely furious
https://www.indy100.com/article/gar...le-joke-bbc-and-brexiters-are-furious-7482446
Gary Lineker told a joke on the BBC and Brexiters are absolutely furious
https://www.indy100.com/article/gar...le-joke-bbc-and-brexiters-are-furious-7482446
There are no facts on what happens when the uk leaves, none, cos it hasn't happened.
The pound falling is excellent news, the economy doing better than predicted, excellent. There's fact for you.
At this point the uk doesn't even know who they will be dealing with in France, Germany, NL and Austria. But carry on with your doom if you like.
Crap analogy btw
No-one knows, all are predictions using logic common sense and facts.
The pound falling isn't excellent news unless your exports exceed your imports.
The Uk was doing well before Brexit and if it hadn't been for the vote it would be doing a far sight better now, but it decided to shoot itself in the foot.
Prediction for France, NL and Germany - none will have a fascist government by the end of next year.
Austria's had theirs.
There's no point in "project fear" as you call it now, the referendum's over - all the Leavers who spouted the lies disappeared into the ether once their unexpected (for them) result happened because there was no plan - Cameron disappeared when what he thought what was a certainty to Remain collapsed.
Those of us who didn't lie are still here predicting what we think will happen, which is still the same as we said long before the referendum.
It is hilarious and very true at the same time. It isn't disrespectful, just factual but no surprise that Brexiters feel bothered by facts.That's actually quite good. And quite true
Which bits factual?
"The next Austrian legislative elections will be held in or before 2018"
Pound falling is excellent for me
You cant be sure about any of those election results
Did you predict the referendum result? Trump win?
Pound falling - it might be favourable for you and for me.
Next Austrian presidential is 2022 though.
Can't be sure of anything, just my predictions.
For Brexit, I made an important personal decision in March/April which has turned out to be very favourable for me personally based on my belief that the UK was in fact daft enough to do the unthinkable even if it was not what I thought they should have done.
Trump really never got involved in but didn't surpise me, especially after Brexit.
I would be extremely surprised, however, if a similar outcome was to happen in France, Germany and NL
It is a fact that many Brexiters will be dead in 10 years time and would therefore not suffer the consequences. That Lineker wrote ''most' is a stylistic measure, taken to make a point.
Your biased point about the weaker pound being a good thing made me smile. If only the UK, both public and industry, hadn't to import goods for consumption or manufacturing to then export ... but I am not surprised that you look only at your very own pocket and not to those who actually have to deal with it in your beloved England ...
Liam Fox has come out and said today that the UK might stay in the customs union and that continuity is important. This is the same clown that wanted hard Brexit just the other week.
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Maths not your strong point then. Or humour.
Why am I not the slightest surprised that you are in the 'don't bother me with facts' camp...
Which bits factual
You also assume that those oldies want a deal with the eu.
Europe is not the be all and end all of business, in all honesty i think its a dump as a whole.
Still, now grocers on the markets of holland wont be able to sell oranges all year round thanks the ban of south African oranges by the eu, yes the eu.
EU, protecting us from pescy foreigners for years to come.
Well, as I'm sure they all knew that they were about to croak when they cast their vote for Brexit, they must have voted for the benefit of others ie selflessly. Take these next two years to thank the ones that are still left hobbling on their zimmer frames, for having the sense and wisdom to leave you with the hope of a better life. Pray that you all inherit their wise minds.
So you want mouldy CBS oranges introduced into the EU.
Move to Africa, I hear the Gambia is nice at this time of year
So you'd rather they let in potentially hazardous Oranges which could spread disease through native European stocks and screw up local supply chains?
Why grocers don't sell seasonal fruits? That's what is supposed to happen.
I wonder if the baby boomers, who had a comfortable life, a stable job, a house they own and a pension can safely say that they will leave a better world to the one given to them. I much doubt it
Typical offensive remainers post