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The Doomongers on here are amazing, big mention to Paul, it's pathetic, the deal and the future haven't yet been done.

Why is it pathetic - but to say the economy is doing well despite nothing having happened so far makes no sense.
I could predict United will win the PL in 2020 but I'd be considered wrong because it hasn't happened yet:wenger:
 
Why is it pathetic - but to say the economy is doing well despite nothing having happened so far makes no sense.
I could predict United will win the PL in 2020 but I'd be considered wrong because it hasn't happened yet:wenger:

Brexit decision happened, the predicted meltdown didn't happen, boo hoo. You must have been licking your lips at the prospect of UK demise, and so disappointed that it didn't happen, as the IMF revised their figures you must have been crying into your beer.
 
Brexit decision happened, the predicted meltdown didn't happen, boo hoo. You must have been licking your lips at the prospect of UK demise, and so disappointed that it didn't happen, as the IMF revised their figures you must have been crying into your beer.

It's nothing to do with what I want to happen, it's what I predict will happen - so far it's gone exactly as I expected other than it's taken the Uk a year to even start talking , we've only had stage 1 so far , there's still a long way to go. If the Uk get single market and all the benefits of the EU then they'll be fine, well done, trouble is it will cost them and won't really have left the EU. Thus what was the point?
 
Brexit decision happened, the predicted meltdown didn't happen, boo hoo. You must have been licking your lips at the prospect of UK demise, and so disappointed that it didn't happen, as the IMF revised their figures you must have been crying into your beer.

Remain campaigners predicted utter chaos and it didn't happen? No shit. The UK's economy not going into freefall and a host of other end-of-the-world prophecies not coming true doesn't exactly translate into the country being in a good, strong position, though, does it. It's pretty bloody early to be talking in such a haughty tone when there's still so much to get through.
 
It's nothing to do with what I want to happen, it's what I predict will happen - so far it's gone exactly as I expected other than it's taken the Uk a year to even start talking , we've only had stage 1 so far , there's still a long way to go. If the Uk get single market and all the benefits of the EU then they'll be fine, well done, trouble is it will cost them and won't really have left the EU. Thus what was the point?

Forgive my ignorance - doesn't remaining in the single market but leaving the EU mean that the UK will no longer be under legislative mandates from Brussels or be part of any further federalisation/unionising?
 
Forgive my ignorance - doesn't remaining in the single market but leaving the EU mean that the UK will no longer be under legislative mandates from Brussels or be part of any further federalisation/unionising?

The UK will still need to abide by European legislation with any products or services traded with the EU.

The only real difference is that we no longer have a vote.
 
Forgive my ignorance - doesn't remaining in the single market but leaving the EU mean that the UK will no longer be under legislative mandates from Brussels or be part of any further federalisation/unionising?

If they remain in the single market the goods they sell to the EU have to comply with EU regulations and be under the jurisdiction of the ECJ, the same as if they export to any other countries, they have to comply with the regulations of the countries they are exporting to.

There has to be a cost for that which is the four freedoms and contributions like Norway and Switzerland. They will have no say in the EU.
 
So you talk about advancements in technology making certain luxuries affordable today, while ignoring the fact that the more essential things that were affordable years ago are now becoming less and less affordable today?

You're talking rubbish, mate!

There's only one thing which is less affordable now than before is housing
 
Do you think housing is more affordable now then a decade ago?

Probably not , prices have boomed through lack of availability but I'm talking about the 60s and 70s.
I bought my first property in the seventies and sold it four years later at double the price I paid for it , so price booming is not a new thing.
 
Probably not , prices have boomed through lack of availability but I'm talking about the 60s and 70s.
I bought my first property in the seventies and sold it four years later at double the price I paid for it , so price booming is not a new thing.

There's no probably about it
 
There's no probably about it

Maybe not but as I said it's not a new thing, additionally interest rates were far higher back in the days so was very difficult to be a home owner unless you could buy a council property in the 80s but then of course people moaned about having less council homes to rent.
 
Maybe not but as I said it's not a new thing, additionally interest rates were far higher back in the days so was very difficult to be a home owner unless you could buy a council property in the 80s but then of course people moaned about having less council homes to rent.

There's no maybe about it either.
Interest rates higher but so was wage inflation.
 
After Brexit is completed I'm expecting a hefty payrise, cheaper food and petrol, paying less taxes and national insurance, cheaper flights to my favourite holiday destinations, scraping of university fees, cheaper gas and electric and guaranteed zero deposit zero percent mortgages so I can buy lots of properties. A dramatically improved weather would also be nice but I understand it's beyond the scope.
You might just get that with a tory govt, you'll suffer in other ways however
 
My Girlfriend and I are seriously thinking about leaving Britain in a few years time. The future is bleak.

We visited the UK and Ireland for the first time in over 17 years last Christmas and although we loved visiting no way would we consider moving back especially now that Brexit is on its way.
 
I can understand that if you're from a generation that never knew anything other than the EU that their is some nervousness, but to bail before a deal is done is a bit knee jerk. Where would you go btw?

I'm old enough to remember before the EU and it was shithouse. Unless you enjoy playing card by candle light during the regular power cuts. On the plus side you had less electricity to pay for with your reduced wages from the enforced 3 day week.
 
I have 7 really close mates living over there on PR. So trust me on this, if you wanna get in from a first World country, it's a piece of piss.

They seem to be making it more and more difficult these days. The process for me was longwinded and expensive. I believe they just increased the number of years required living there for PR from 2 to 4 as well. I am sure you'll be fine if you have the relevant credentials but I'd prepare yourself for a bit more than a walk in the park.
 
The rules for Aus aren't bent for first world country, I wouldn't just assume you can get in.

The rules are the same for everyone to get into Australia.

That said they have just decided to abolish the 457 skilled temporary mgration visa to replace it with something more difficult for employers to justify and obtain. The conditions once you have it are going to be stricter although the language skills shouldn't be an issue for most. The biggest change is that once you have the visa you have to wait much longer before you can convert it to permanent residency/citizenship. Pandering to the One Nation demographic - thanks Donald you huge orange wanker.
 
I'm old enough to remember before the EU and it was shithouse. Unless you enjoy playing card by candle light during the regular power cuts. On the plus side you had less electricity to pay for with your reduced wages from the enforced 3 day week.

Are you saying that the EU was entirely responsible for the UK's reversal in economic fortunes? I'm not sure even the most liberal economist would agree with that.

The idea that the UK will go back to to the three day week is hyperbolic and barmy frankly.
 
Are you saying that the EU was entirely responsible for the UK's reversal in economic fortunes? I'm not sure even the most liberal economist would agree with that.

The idea that the UK will go back to to the three day week is hyperbolic and barmy frankly.

I don't understand that thinking either. If you want to know what the 70's were all about union wise you just have to go to France during any current dispute.
 
Are you saying that the EU was entirely responsible for the UK's reversal in economic fortunes? I'm not sure even the most liberal economist would agree with that.

The idea that the UK will go back to to the three day week is hyperbolic and barmy frankly.

I didn't say any of those things. However 5he idea that Britain was better in the days before the EU is laughable. We couldn't manage a piss up in a brewery.

I suspect we still can't.
 
I didn't say any of those things. However 5he idea that Britain was better in the days before the EU is laughable. We couldn't manage a piss up in a brewery.

I suspect we still can't.

That is nonsense again. The UK has many things to be proud of in terms of innovation and on a global scale. It is hardly surprising that the leftist political movement is dying in this country when you are all so negative and happy to do down the country.
 
Britain in the 70's was a basket case under right and left. I know as I lived there. And if the left in the UK is dying (which I doubt) it is because Blair made such an arse of his final term and Labor have been a shambles ever since. The idea of the Tories running the country unfettered by the inbuilt protections provided by the EU is very scary indeed. Zero hour contracts and the like is just the beginning.
 
If the Tories are only the party of the upper middle and above, surely as more are pushed into poverty their votes dry up. I don't understand, if they're so bad, why they're so popular with vast swathes of the country.
 
If the Tories are only the party of the upper middle and above, surely as more are pushed into poverty their votes dry up. I don't understand, if they're so bad, why they're so popular with vast swathes of the country.

They look after the demographic that can be most relied upon to vote. Old people.
 
I don't understand that thinking either. If you want to know what the 70's were all about union wise you just have to go to France during any current dispute.

That would be France whose workers have strong and well protected working rights and conditions way above Britain. Yes, they have those because they will strike to protect what they have, not just roll over to business and end up working a zero hour contract for a pittance with tiny breaks.
 
That would be France whose workers have strong and well protected working rights and conditions way above Britain. Yes, they have those because they will strike to protect what they have, not just roll over to business and end up working a zero hour contract for a pittance with tiny breaks.
0 hr contracts are not unique to uk, we have them too.
 
So Holland needs better worker protections too then.
No. We have collective worker agreements tied to our contracts.

Example, i am a contractor and my agreement says that i am entitled to all benefits that a direct hire gets. I have waved this in my bosses face to get 2 payrises in one year.

I can only work like.this for 2.5 years then you are hired or fired.

You can guess the rest
 
That would be France whose workers have strong and well protected working rights and conditions way above Britain. Yes, they have those because they will strike to protect what they have, not just roll over to business and end up working a zero hour contract for a pittance with tiny breaks.

That would also be France that has forsaken 10% of its population for decades for its labour laws, that has a chronic unemployment problem, that has one of the highest food bank reliant populations in Europe and that has has the largest far right movement in Western Europe, no doubt aided by the poverty suffered by the 10%.