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No it's in the Leavers comments in this thread and on comments on thousands of articles in the British press
Who gave her this "power" anyway?
I'm a leaver, but I have already told you that I do not think the UK will get a lucrative trade deal with the EU without free movement of people. It won't happen until the EU is reformed, which I believe is a certainty. Even Macron is now demanding reform, and if Le Pen wins, the EU is even more trouble. And so at the moment we are at a standoff. If people are truly honest with themselves, at this moment we are heading towards no deal. This is not the best situation for both the EU or the UK, but at the moment the EU and Euro leaders are playing the threatening game in order to divide us and cause a dramatic change of heart from within. Hence the need for strong and stable leadership
I have it on good authority from this thread that there are no valid reasons to leave this perfect union. Anyone who says that there are is a racist who eats the children of immigrants.
Yes.
Nothing wrong with reading the papers, as long as their bias is taken into consideration. That works both ways.
I'm a leaver, but I have already told you that I do not think the UK will get a lucrative trade deal with the EU without free movement of people. It won't happen until the EU is reformed, which I believe is a certainty. Even Macron is now demanding reform, and if Le Pen wins, the EU is even more trouble. And so at the moment we are at a standoff. If people are truly honest with themselves, at this moment we are heading towards no deal. This is not the best situation for both the EU or the UK, but at the moment the EU and Euro leaders are playing the threatening game in order to divide us and cause a dramatic change of heart from within. Hence the need for strong and stable leadership
No-one has said the EU is perfect and most agree that reforms will be made, before hopefully with the UK being part of that. The EU know the UK will leave , they would prefer the UK to stay but they're not going to try to persuade them to stay, that's in the past. The Uk is leaving and yes probably with no deal.
What are the UK's reasons for wanting to leave the EU and why will Britain be better off outside the EU?
...should be enough stuff there to debate on for the next 368 pages of this thread
The EU is also secretly planning to invade Britain. But please don't be paranoid on my account!
100% that is not the case, figures will be given for many different things and it will be the job of the UK negotiators to discuss these points with the EU negotiators. This will be one of the first things discussed along with UK and EU citizens rights.
The EU games have only just started. Divide and conquer is their new motto. Much like a lot on here they just don't understand the Brits at all, but they think they do.
Ah well.
Still fighting WWII in 2016?
Are we? I can't believe I missed that you would have thought I would have heard the spitfires and Vera Lynn.
Do.you understand where that front page actually came from?
Still fighting WWII in 2016?
Still fighting WWII in 2016?
We didn't fight WWII against the fascists to end up with a fascist government, oh hang on a minute..
I know, you moved to France for that.
Well hopefully in a week's time the insanity will be over.
I must say this thread has been comedy gold
Have mercy, we are hurting around here.
He's not that bad when you get to know him I bet.
"vidic blood & sand, post: 20826647, member: 80446"]This might be a valid point if the UK had been handed a proper tab with a breakdown of the bill, but it hasn't. The figure has been made up, and we're just expected to pay it. So you analogy works against you.
Not to mention the fact that we have been investment partners in all the EU has done, like helping to fund it's spectacular buildings etc. Where's our settlement in all this?[/QUOTE
It should be quite simple, shouldn't it ?
All the UK needs to do is say to the EU -
' OK...Show us where it says in the rules that anyone leaving the EU has to pay to leave, and would it be the case that if, say, Poland or Bulgaria decided to leave, they'd still get their € 40 billion each year ( or wharever amount it is ) of subsidies for the next few years after they've left ? '
Then the UK should politely ask for a breakdown of the bill that the EU wants the UK to settle.
Nothing wrong with that approach....Well, not as far as I can see
Not to mention the fact that we have been investment partners in all the EU has done, like helping to fund it's spectacular buildings etc. Where's our settlement in all this?[/QUOTE
It should be quite simple, shouldn't it ?
All the UK needs to do is say to the EU -
' OK...Show us where it says in the rules that anyone leaving the EU has to pay to leave, and would it be the case that if, say, Poland or Bulgaria decided to leave, they'd still get their € 40 billion each year ( or wharever amount it is ) of subsidies for the next few years after they've left ? '
Then the UK should politely ask for a breakdown of the bill that the EU wants the UK to settle.
Nothing wrong with that approach....Well, not as far as I can see
I really scratch my head at people that think a trade war would be anything but a disaster for the UK economy, our workers and our services.
If what you're suggesting happens, we lose our financial institutions and multinational investments who will relocate to Germany and France so they can avoid trade war tarriffs. We lose loads of jobs and tax income and become poorer as a nation.
As for trading with other countries we're actually in a worse position because we've torn up a load of free trade agreements that the EU agreed so we'd trade less with other countries.
As for the riculous "but can be part funded from the money saved from our lack of membership", no Tory goverment is funding private businesses for the protectionism of other countries, it's against their political ethos and mathematically it wouldn't begin to cover it. If the UK wants a trade agreement with the EU they will have to pay a similar amount to what they were paying into the EU as a member.
This is one of the most important issues at the moment. Foreign nationals living here must be given assurances about their status post brexit. This is a chance for Theresa May to take the moral high ground here.
However, one thing to take into account, EU foreign nationals living in the UK after brexit will not be contributing anything to the EU, and so they won't be regarded as much of a bargaining chip compared to British nationals living in EU countries.
He's not that bad when you get to know him I bet.
Well done.He's not that bad when you get to know him I bet.
I'm very cute and friendly
I do actually and I also understand why the Sun referred to WWII and the Dad's army theme. What I don't and never will understand is the British obsession with WWII even now. Achtung!!
Yes but people's lives should not be used as bargaining chips. Its the same for both, Uk nationals living in the EU won't be contributing to the UK either
Tariffs will hurt the EU countries more than us, as they are trying to be as competitive as they can for our custom. Why would they want to restrict business with one of its major customers?
It would be easier for us to strike up free trade deals with other countries, as the the regulations do not need to be as strict.
No. They can trade under WTO rules.
This absolutely right, which is why Theresa May has the chance to really take the moral high ground here. If the UK gives assurances to EU nationals living here, the EU will be seen to be using people as bargaining chips for it's own advantage if it did not do the same for Brits currently living in EU countries.
That"s because there isn't an obsession with it. British Football supporters in Germany say that world when they're drunk and having a laugh because for most of them it's the only German word that they know.
With the other the reason it"s on the front of the paper is because it's Brutish humour again in the actual phrase used as much as anything. That and the fact that Germany is once again trying to rule us. Even so, all of the examples used here are typical British humour.
I'm not sure you know who Theresa May is.
If she does get to power France will join the UK in leaving the EU. They'll probably ending up doing great trade deal with the UK and being Britain's partner in negotiating fantastic deals with like liberal, democratic and free thinking rigimes such as the ones in Saudi Arabia and Qatar! Liberte, egalite, fraternite!!
But this is where I see a difference, have never sensed any animosity towards other EU citizens here, maybe different in other EU countries which other posters could elaborate on but I don't think EU citizens now feel as welcome in the UK as I do here.
I think she's abandoned the idea of leaving the EU and reinstalling the franc , too unpopular
Mate, the Brits ARE obsessed with WWII. And the Germans are offended by ze humour, ze are just too polite to tell ze this und if ze don't answer ze questions we vill tie you with ze piano wire.
Only in the minds of others.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39777755
The lower pound is proving to be good news for manufacturing.
The lower pound is proving to be good news for manufacturing.
Shame it only accounts for 10% of the economy and that the UK economy is very much a import and service economy. But don't let me stop you clutching at straws.
Well, if they are using divide and conquer, I'd say they do understand British colonial history really well.
We are no longer talking a sudden shift, we are almost a year down the line. Prices are up substantially
You might be but the rest of us aren't. Granted we haven't forgotten Germany's wish to rule Europe, mainly because they are still at it, as numerous posters on here know when they keep reminding us that Merkel is in charge (well supposedly).
No, it's just the way they think. Most domineering political systems (and domineering people) work in just the same way.