If there was no access to the single market financially, there will be no deal. The EU will concede the free movement issue. I guarantee you that.
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If there was no access to the single market financially, there will be no deal. The EU will concede the free movement issue. I guarantee you that.
You can guarantee all you want, it's not going to happen.
we'll see.
Also because of the rebates around 35% of your contribution, you are the fourth contributor behind Italy.
Hate isn't a reason.
And I'm not sure how you are getting back control of your borders since a) you never lost control and b) the border between Northern and Southern Ireland will remain full open most likely. Still no idea why you would want to protect yourself from the predominantly emploted people who moved here from other EU countries addressing skill shortages, doing the jobs Brits don't want to do and hugely contributing to our tax revenues while they are about it. The bastards.
The way you charavterise the EU's stand is also deluded. The EU want us to stay. If we leave they of course want a deal that both works for them and involves us paying our already agreed to obligations especially as the EU has spending obligations in the UK.
Why would any other member even think about leaving such an economic and political paradise ?
And why would the EU even think that one of them just might be thinking about it ??
The other three comments I agree with.
They're mostly pissed because Britain is the lodger who signed up to lots of long term financial commitments and has now declared its moving out and stiffing everyone else with the bills. Long term they'll just adjust the budget to compensate and get on with their business.
Why do you imagine for a second that tariffs would hurt them more than us? About half of our trade is with the EU, and only about 10-15% of theirs is with us. Any trade war leads to Britain getting screwed.
What about taking into consideration the benefits received from the EU (net contributons)?
Driving down wages for the british working class.
Leaving the EU ought to nullify obligations agreed or not after the date the UK is no longer a member. Including the meagre benefits received by the EU compared to other members.
The UK is the one desperate to keep any close collaboration not the EU. The EU only want to make sure there's an orderly divorce
In jobs that the British working class have absolutely no interest in actually doing.
To be honest, this year I don't know because it fluctuates. Some year the UK are below Netherlands and other years they are above France with Germany always first. So to be fair to everyone the UK, France, Netherland and Italy are close in net contribution.
Here you can have an idea, http://english.eu.dk/en/faq/faq/net_contribution
Thats not sustainable long term though is it. We cant just keep bringing in new people and have more and more locals on benefits just because they have an easy out.
Racism wins elections and racism wins elections
Unemployment is very low, locals on benefits a myth
Unemployment is supposed to be at its lowest rate since 1975 isn't it?
Yawn.....
Hardly, but no complaints if they do.
Because the majority of EU countries buy more from us than we sell to them, which will hurt them all individually. And so when you consider how much money would go to the British government in tariffs, it could be used to try to offset any deficit. There is also the damage to the smaller member states who rely on trade with us.
Then of course is the prospect of free trade deals with other countries like the USA, Canada, China, India etc....
The British government, not the EU, is essentially responsible for workers conditions, zero hour contract and the like even if they have to pay lip service to EU protective legislation. The EU is far more interested in worker protection than a Tory led UK government ever will be. Just wait until they are unfettered by the EU.
Rubbish. Cameron has made funding promises knowing we could leave and the EU has obligations in the UK and elsewhere that don't end when we walk out.
Maybe other are other deluded countries with an over inflated opinion of their own significance on the world stage? More likely is that countries like Greece might think they can run away without paying their debts.
If British goods become more expensive than the EU equivalent due to tarrifs the customer will spend their money in the EU. Your bonanza for the Treasury will not materialise
I'm in the engineering industry, and recently had a back injury which is causing me discomfort in my current role, and so recently I looked at what other opportunities were around, and couldn't believe it.
10 years ago electronic design engineers could command a wage of 45 - 70K a year. Now they are as low as 25K. And that's for someone experience and degree qualified.
And of course we would be free to source our goods from around the world.
Agreed, but your argument was the tarrifs would fill a hole in our budget. Being able to source goods from around the world still leaves us short of money. Where are you going to get it from now?
That argument is absolute bullshit.
The EU is not responsible for your minimum wage or emplyoment rights. The EU just demands the same right for every of it's citizens. If you allow low wage employment like you do and only foreigners want to do it, it's your fault, not the EU's. Yet another case where your gouvernment succesfully projected it's own failure on the EU.
So you reckon there are about 16 million racists in the UK ?
BREXIT was about a lot, lot more than immigration, whatever you keep harping on about.
I didn't say that it would be great for us, I was pointing out the miseries that would also inflict the EU, which is why both sides will want to avoid no deal. I believe it was Mark Carney who recently stated that the EU has more to lose than us.
No, you are not. You don't buy goods from Europe because the EU forces you to do so. You buy them because it's near, driving down logistics cause, and the quality is rather good overall, or the goods can't be bought elsewhere. Are you going to tell me you will suddenly buy the machinery for the little industry you have left in India? And that, if you do, it will be cheaper or better in any way?
And to your other point, what makes you think that countries like India or Canada have any interest in a free trade deal with the UK at this point? I know you don't get that, but overall, on it's own, the UK is pretty insignificant. There's much more pressign trade deals for these countries to do. Even after all this boot licking, Trump isnÄt thinking one second about a trade deal with the UK. With Canada, you even have one already which you will leave upon leaving the EU.
And how the heck, with the substantial trade deficit the UK has with the EU-27, will tarriffs hurt the EU more than the UK? That does make ZERO sense.
He's governor of the Bank of England, it's his job to say that. I doubt he believes it.
Not 16 million, but it's the racism that swung it
If you have more people competing for the same jobs, it will drive wages down. Currently in my department I have two people on my team from eastern Europe earning nearly half what I earn doing a similar role.
Leading up to the referendum he was forecasting doom and gloom.
Sure you do. Funny, why doesn't something like this happen in Germany? Oh, yeah, I remember, working, constructive Unions, minimum wage and an actual industry short of workers.
Yes of course he was, he knew it was a bloody terrible idea. Now he's stuck with it, and has to try and push the best possible face on everything to try and maintain some kind of confidence in the economy.
Such arrogance, but to be expected....
Also his job. He wanted to avoid Brexit, now it's there and he needs to make the best out of it. It's called politics. I doubt even 20% of Tory politicians really wanted this to happen, but that stupid little referendum forced their hand.
You said the tarrifs would fill a hole in our budget. I pointed out that the consumer will buy from the cheapest supplier, so the tarrifs won't cushion the blow. Your thinking is bust.
Yes Brexit will hurt both sides, but the EU being much larger will feel it less
Being a union, the EU can also shuffle various things around to make sure no individual member end up taking too big a hit.
Brexit hasn't happened yet. The economic consequences will be long term.