This won't go down well with hard Brexiteers
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It should have been a multi-stage referendum*, like New Zealand did for their fecking flag, but we didn't do for the fundamental direction the country takes.
[*So the first stage lists a number of Brexit options and the public votes for their preferred one, Remain isn't listed at this stage. The second stage pits the winning option vs remain]
We should just forget the whole thing. 
That's the thing, it doesnt seem to be going down as badly as it should. Im sure the reaction is just a bit delayed, Im sure there is a WhatsApp Brexit group somewhere that is pinging furiously right now as MPs plot their resistance. But if you look at the newspapers, it seems like they are pretending this is something other than total capitulation. Im finding it a bit disconcerting to be honest.
Yeah it is weird. The Sun currently going with "hard won" and the Mail with "breakthrough", which is just pro-May propaganda.
Farage as called it pathetic at least .Most papers are just relieved that some progress as been made .When it get's digested then you will see the anger from hardliners
Lol, what a farce/scam/ruse. Pick as you like.
A grand exercise in posturing, just so that clown Farage can have his moment of glory will lead to a permanent loss of influence and economic opporunity with no significant change in the status quo.
A grand exercise in posturing, just so that clown Farage can have his moment of glory will lead to a permanent loss of influence and economic opporunity with no significant change in the status quo.
The focus is just on moving forward rather than context or quality. You have to wonder if they purposefully left it til the deadline so they could proclaim a victory.
They'll soon change the narrative at the end of the day the papers as always play to their readership. Most of them don't understand the implications of Brexit and explaining it would be a little too difficult
Any hardliners causing disruption now aren't going to win any public favour by destabilising things at this stage. I'd imagine most sane people are relieved to see progress towards a deal which doesn't destroy the economy.
Yep this is still a shitshow though, essentially will be worse off then we were before. It's very much better than a hard Brexit but the politicians who ran on Brexit have put us in a terrible situation.
The headline is all that matters. The reading age of the Sun readership averages at 8 years old - and I'm not making that up.
I just hope there is a clause hidden somewhere in Phase 2 that enables the UK to reenter at the previous terms once the old guard of Little Englanders have died off.
So - we can all live, work and study in Europe, and Europeans can do the same here - that's great. However, this no-change-at-all is costing us billions of pounds and we won't have representation in the European Parliament.
All those who voted "leave" because they wanted the Bulgarians to go home will be disappointed.
All those who voted "leave" because they wanted the Bulgarians to go home will be disappointed.
They were always going to be.
Is that the bottom line?
Those who voted to take back control will surely be disappointed that we have actually given up a significant amount of control, for no discernible benefit. If these Brussels bureaucrats decide to legislate how curved a banana has to be to meet single market standards, or what flavour crisps we're allowed to have, there will be no UK voice at the table to argue against it. But we'll still have to go along with it.
Also, it says transition will last the minimum of two years throughout this term UK obliges to adhere to all the EU laws by staying in the single market and CU, but being outside of the table.
I don't think they've gone that far, it appears its just citizens currently living in the UK/EU (or up until the exit date) with exceptions made for family members joining later.
It's an interesting trap May has laid for the eurosceptics, they must be furious right now, but if they rebel then they'll almost certainly destroy the government and force an election. That's basically handing power to Labour and then they'll probably end up with even less than they have now. It'll be interesting to see whether they still retain enough sense to keep their mouths shut or whether the eurosceptic extremism that has divided the party for decades will prove too strong for them to resist.
Soon the French will be unveiling their plan to have cheddar reclassified so it can no longer be marketed as cheese. Shit's about to get real.
The eurosceptics might feel their cause would be in better hands with Corbyn and McDonnell, they have been anti-EU for a lot longer than May has.
If I'm not mistaken, it's only for the ones that are already in the UK or on the continent. For the rest, it will depend on the deal, even though the lack of Irish border will almost inevitably lead to a full single market adhesion and therefore all freedoms will be enforced.
By the way, if I'm not mistaken all EEA/EFTA members are also Schengen members. I wonder if the current members are willing to offer an exemption if the UK were to join them.
''You can check out any time you like but you can never leave''
Probably will be acceptable given not all EU members are part of Schengen. It's also in the EU's best interest for a soft Brexit as well.
It's not about the EU though, the question is whether Norway, Iceland, Switzerland and Liechtenstein are fine with it.
Any deal which pisses off Farage, and the far right is fine by me.
You think this is a stunning deal?It'd be a foolish risk. Labour voters split about 2/3 in favour of remain. Any Labour leader who tried to push for hard Brexit would be basically shooting themselves in the face.
The fact that such an enormously complex and heavily nuanced topic was dumbed down to a simple one line question with one word responses was so unimaginably stupid it really beggars belief.
That's without getting into the fact that it should never have gone to a referendum at all because there's no way the population is sufficiently informed to make such a decision.
I guess only they know, Schengen is not a presumption of EFTA as far as I am aware. In any case this is a particular special scenario, so no idea what kind of deal we will end up with.
What is the point of brexit to have a soft brexit? Seems like a lot of hassle for no real change apart from some feeling like they've won. Better than a hard one though, so guess I can at least be happy with that.
For the opposite way around, why would Switzerland change from their arrangement to being a member of the EU?
For the opposite way around, why would Switzerland change from their arrangement to being a member of the EU?
There is no point. You will have all the rules you had before, pay in money, only now they have no seats on the council and will not receive funding in return.
It's unbelievably stupid but still less stupid than a hard Brexit.
I'd laugh if it wasn't so damn pathetic.
Turns out Brexit didnt mean Brexit after all.
First stage agreement
Well this is still would still be a Brexit. Unless of course we do a full U-turn.
It’s easy for Farage to just sit on the sidelines criticising everything. His rhetoric led the country to a vote which should never have happened and has likely cost the country Billions.
Does "Full alignment" with the Internal Market and Customs Union also mean keeping Freedom of Movement?
So basically very little would change?
So basically very little would change?