How do you manage to make a hash of literally every point? It’s impressive
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How do you manage to make a hash of literally every point? It’s impressive
I am aware re benefits. I am not talking about that. That situation changed only after recent pressure when Cameron asked for a ‘negotiation’ in Feb 2016 didn’t it?
Anyways my point is, forget benefits etc. We can’t even deport folks if they are blatantly sleeping rough for any period of time!
I am guessing you’re aiming that at the EU?
This. The government isn’t there to benefit individuals or groups, it’s there to provide for everyone the best they can. At the moment it’s way off doing that.
Good. These people are clearly in trouble and need help, not deportation.
The UK could implement the EU role to deport EU immigrations after three months with no job upon arrival, but they don't. Why? Because EU migrants MAKE the government money.
Are you having some troubles? I literally gave you the law, it has nothing to do with Cameron since it exists since 2003.
Also this ruling has nothing to do with the EU, it's a ruling from a british judge of the High court of England and Wales, it's her opinion that the Home Office has no ground for removal while the Home office claims that EU directives give them the right to do it.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42354864
paz...Er.....it's seems my homeland has a bit of a shrinking problem at the moment.
It all becomes clear.
When will people realize the simple fact that Brexit would solve none of the problems that made them vote for it?
In about 5 years time; by then the daily mail will have found another scape goat.
This has already occurred with a significant number of people and the reality is that if the referendum was held tomorrow we'd vote to remain.
They won't. This is the fear us non white Brits should live with, when Brexit happens and nothing gets better the Mail will pivot to the enemy within. The mail can't admit it's people like it's owner, and the policies they espouse, that's making the working poor poorer
I mean that's probably the thought process of 80% of remainers prior to the vote. It's not out of some great love for Brussels but that Brexit was never going to solve anything.
When they stop voting tory perhaps
I also didn't want to give the Torries the power to redefine workers rights. The European Court of Human Rights was the best thing that ever happened to workers.
I can see a Trump style rolling back of regulations if there is nobody there to stop them.
In what way were they the best thing to happen? What laws did they make to protect workers rights? What laws, rules and conditions that cant be worked around by sovereign govts?
I dont want a link i want opinion on how they over rule local law.
Those basics de facto beat national law on workers rights. Simple as that. That’s not an opinion. It’s the threshold EU countries have agreed upon. The laws in question are in the link
Maximum weekly hours, guaranteed holidays.
They're already eying up the working hours directive, that'll be one of the first rules thrown on the bonfire.
I could see it happening from the outset.
I thought everyone just signed an opt-out form and ignored it to be honest. Did at my place.
Can any Brits in here explain to me the seeming absence of pro Brexit voices in the Caf, even among UK posters? Is it to do with football (you get to like foreigners and even travel there), or MU or what? Is it the same with other teams? What Club leads the pro Brexit league?
It’s funny, despite a positive vote you rarely see very vocal brexiteers.
People anti brexit are almost always very derisive and arsey toward them and I think there’s a general conception amongst public and media that they were duped and foolish for voting as they did, which is equally naive.
I assume it represses people from being more vocal for fear of a lot of people jumping on them and calling them morons.
Also a large portion of brexit voters were older/certain class groups - Redcafe tends to be very diverse in many ways but it’s safe to say it’s fairly liberal and leftist and it certainly seems that the general political demographic of the site would be opposed to brexit.
Finally, Stoke.
Although teams have links to areas, religions and even certain jobs id say United are too global to really claim any reasoning from that.
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This thread is a classic example unfortunately. And you're right about the demographic here - there's a United forum or two where things are significantly different and far more pro brexit.
Ok, we've now officially passed the irony horizon..
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...t-cannot-cherrypick-brexit-trade-deal-sectors
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...t-cannot-cherrypick-brexit-trade-deal-sectors
It's not naive, its actually kind. Assuming someone was tricked is nicer than assuming they just aren't very clever to begin with.
This took me a second (well a minute, actually) but was worth it. Shows the cyclical argument of Brexit. They have red line issues, ok. Each one takes away more of their options.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...or-the-city-says-eu-brexit-negotiator-barnier
As we knew back in July 2016. Maybe the government might actually listen this time.
"The EU cannot cherry pick"- move over Nobel prize winner Dario Fo, David Davis is coming to take your crown.
Actually naivety and assumptions go hand in hand, thank you for instantly proving the point.
Projecting your own opinions onto others and then making judgements about their politics, personalities or intellect is the height of conceit.
To double down on that by playing it off as if you’re doing the poor common morons a favour by allowing them to have been tricked over ignorant, is not kind in any sense of the word, arrogant would be much more appropriate.
But apparently you are free to judge posters as naïve, arrogant and conceited and certain apologists for brexiters are apparently also able to have insight into their personalities.
The referendum has taken place, there will not be another one. The brexiters have placed their future into the hands of the government and have no say how the negotiations will pan out.
All the claims of Brexiters clearly will not happen, it just wasn't possible, as was evident from the beginning.
The current trend is for May to go to meet the EU, say one thing, agree certain points and then come back stand before parliament and the media and utter complete nonsense and deny having agreed anything with the EU.
Why does she do this, because her sole aim is to remain PM and try to get this government through to the next GE intact and she has to keep people in the government on her side. It is now damage limitation.
oh man they're going to be so desperate to give us a good deal
Regional shares of GDP at risk from Brexit Photograph: University of Birmingham
That can't possibly be right, the Prosecco growing regions aren't shaded and as Boris pointed out they will be ruined without our market.
Well Paul, in reference to your first point I do feel somewhat free to make a judgement on an individual poster and the trend I see on the Caf.
I feel well positioned to make the judgement, it’s only my opinion but I’m actually talking to the person and judging his own words, in that sense I think it’s absolutely fair game.
I think projecting judgements and opinion onto almost 17.5 million people is not quite the same though, which is my entire point. The broadbrush and frankly smugly superior tone taken by that poster and other posters is in my opinion distasteful and simplistic to the point of ignorance, which is ironic given the intellectual high ground they believe they occupy.
As for the rest of your post I probably couldn’t agree more, I was vehemently opposed to Brexit as I was to the Scottish referendum. As someone from NI I’m very proud to be linked to the UK and Europe, I considered being European as much a part of my identity as British or Irish, it was bitterly disappointing to see that at odds with 17.5 million people. That’s not even getting started on what I felt was very strong, continual, evidence that we would be financially and institutionally worse off.
I’ll happily lay blame at the Governments feet, the ref was a vanity project of a disasterous PM, left to be managed by possibly an even worse one.
What I have realised is that blaming voters for having a different opinion borne out of a completely different outlook and experience than my own is totally unfair, going farther to patronise and belittle 17.5 million people is something else entirely and hardly helpful in bridging the divide.