After Brexit, so we can keep pretending the EU banned blue passports.
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I used to laugh at the people that had blue passport covers, but I'm definitely getting a maroon one.
Are you allowed to reject blue passports and keep the current colour? You see, I'm a traitor, saboteur, remoaner, against the will of the people and all that jazz, so I'm not up for carrying one of those.
Perhaps they want to go fully back to the sixties and reintroduce the Foreign Travel Allowance of £50, planning in advance for when the balance of payments gets so bad again. The good old days.
I always find non eu passports interesting, so diverse in one passport que and so....well...dull and samey in the eu que.
That simply isn't true. I have just had to let a great employee go as he isn't an Australian citizen and was on on a limited time visa. The UK is going to have to get used to that sort of thing.
How do you explain all my colleagues then? I can guarantee in Europe that I am 100% correct.
Must have been standing in too many queues with Spaniards, as you're beginning to sound like one.
I forgot spelling was the most important thing in this thread, Fanx for the reminder. Any opinion on the diversity of passports?
Only kidding, Stan. Lighten up.
Yes, maroon is a bit cliched. I want a green one.
Personally, I want a blue, white and red that plays "La marseillaise" when you open it.
I want one that lets me live and work in 27 neighbouring countries.
If you wanted a blue one, you could have had one, just that the UK decided to go for maroon. Those damned Brits blaming the EU again.
If you aim for stars at least you might end up on the moon.
You have one right now. Move soon
Yes they followed like sheep.
I haven't actually got one but point taken.
Looking forward to 2046, when the government announces the return of burgundy passports to appeal to the nostalgia of 90s and 00s kids.
We have absolutely no idea at the moment what the post Brexit rules will be. People like yourself keep talking about how it'll just be ok, but you're assuming things that you have no basis to assume. Chiefly that a deal will be made prior to the exit date, which puts in place the kinds of standards countries largely take for granted. The reality is that you're almost certainly correct, but there's a small but still significant possibility that there won't be deal and that we could still crash out of the EU with no agreements in place. If that happens then some very crazy shit is going to happen, and that includes millions of UK and EU citizens getting fecked. You might consider that small possibility to be insignificant, but as long as its out there its something I can't be calm about. Especially when I see the government screwing up the process so badly, and refusing to accept simple truths about what the outcome has to be.
No deal is not a small or insignificant possibility at all, it's still a distinctly possible outcome.
That would be badass, you have the best national anthem.
Its way better then the crappy british/italian hymn (although malta is the worst). However nothing beats the russian anthem
Russian/ssrs hymns are just
you're getting pumped up just from listening to it.This is just overreaction. I know for certain non eu citizens are working here. I know for certain they will remain here so long as they have work with no break longer than 3 months between jobs. I know companies desperately want them and the measures they have gone thru to keep them.
Tell me now, why has a UK citizen outside the eu got less chance than them?? They don't speak the language, don't integrate but the companies find them highly valuable.
It's like you believe that you are a shit uk person outside the eu and your company will fire you over another person outside the eu cos your british. This is how you come across and its feckin mind boggling. Some of my non eu colleagues have worked allover the world, but not uk johnny, he cant go anywhere without the burgundy passport.
Fukk me
You're missing the point and making exactly the assumption I said. If there's no Brexit deal then we don't suddenly revert to a situation where normal rules apply. All this stuff has to be negotiated and agreed on and it'd have to happen in the time between the government deciding there would be no deal and the timescale of Article 50 running out.
Do you genuinely not understand how short that timescale is? All that supposed fear-mongering about UK planes not flying into EU airspace and suchlike is EXACTLY what happens if we suddenly drop out without any deals. So when do the government decide on no deal given they only have 15 months left? What happens if they agree a deal a month before and parliament refuse it? We could quite realistically be left with little more than weeks or a few months to agree some extremely complicated and difficult issues. So no, I don't think I'm being particularly melodramatic. Glad you have so much faith in this governments abilities though.
The point your missing is that my point has nothing to do with uk and brexit as........oh dear, i have to repeat it for the 90th time...!
You dont need an eu passport to work in the eu, yes crazy as it sounds, that's the truth.
Of course you don't, but countries still have to agree to visa conditions and arrangements, especially when it comes to working visas. There isn't just some magic default state.
The North Korean passport is blue, maybe Cameron was right after all
Because you only know those who have been succesful. Those who haven't aren't working with you. You have to get a via. Which have regulations. And no matter how much you try to bend the rules and/or design a job description you don't always get that visa. Plus it take 100% longer. A friend of mine is in just such a situation trying to start his new job in London. He has to pass the pre-visa check and only then can his prospective employer apply for the visa. It will take a minimum of 6 months in total, probably more, and isn't guaranteed. This will become the reality for UK firms trying employ EU citizens and UK citizens trying to work in Europe.
@Stanley Road
What you say about "the company only needs to want you" . That is none sense. Every country has different regulations and some even the final decision does not depend on the company but the government. Some jobs fall in some categories that are not elegible.
Here in Canada I was lucky to get a 1 year vias, with that I could manage to find a job that they were willing to sponsorize me. When I found the job I had 6 months left, the process was more or less that 6 months. If I would find that job 2 months later, most likely I would not get it. To be able to be elegible, I had to change the naming of my position, and even if they were willing to sponsorize me (not speaking paying money for it) the last call was for the government. It doesn´t matter how much the company would be willing.
Rules from outside EU workers are different in Netherlands than France and Spain and so on. As well visas and citizenship requirements.
So no, is not "if your company wants you" blabblah.
Also, in my visa, I am tied, for now with my current company. I can´t work with any other company, so if for whatever reason I have a problem with them, I have to swallow up, or if they fire me, I am screwed. Also I can´t look for better opportunities. If a company comes with a better position and salary I think I could change but it would be a hassle and would jeopardize my Permanent Resident application that is ongoing
Thinks like that could happen as well in europe for non EU citizens. @Kentonio , inside the EU is free to changes jobs and do as any other frenchman, so don´t picture it as it would be easy peasy because most likely, it will be, in the best case scenario, a bureaucratic nightmare with an unknown results for him
What you say about "the company only needs to want you" . That is none sense. Every country has different regulations and some even the final decision does not depend on the company but the government. Some jobs fall in some categories that are not elegible.
Here in Canada I was lucky to get a 1 year vias, with that I could manage to find a job that they were willing to sponsorize me. When I found the job I had 6 months left, the process was more or less that 6 months. If I would find that job 2 months later, most likely I would not get it. To be able to be elegible, I had to change the naming of my position, and even if they were willing to sponsorize me (not speaking paying money for it) the last call was for the government. It doesn´t matter how much the company would be willing.
Rules from outside EU workers are different in Netherlands than France and Spain and so on. As well visas and citizenship requirements.
So no, is not "if your company wants you" blabblah.
Also, in my visa, I am tied, for now with my current company. I can´t work with any other company, so if for whatever reason I have a problem with them, I have to swallow up, or if they fire me, I am screwed. Also I can´t look for better opportunities. If a company comes with a better position and salary I think I could change but it would be a hassle and would jeopardize my Permanent Resident application that is ongoing
Thinks like that could happen as well in europe for non EU citizens. @Kentonio , inside the EU is free to changes jobs and do as any other frenchman, so don´t picture it as it would be easy peasy because most likely, it will be, in the best case scenario, a bureaucratic nightmare with an unknown results for him
Second day in and I'm still questioning if that actually happened. It's like the next five Christmas days rolled into one. Blue passports! We're special.
Preech brother
I got a thousand cases to counter any of those situations. Remember how simply my mrs bro and his chinese wife easily became oz citizens? My german mate threatened with deportation fron nl for losing his job? The pont is and will always be this, your eu passport is not made of magic dust, you will not be given a job over a better qualified non eu candidate that the company wants. Your eu passport does not guarantee you anything but entry, entry yiu dont actually need to apply for a job these days as a lot of interviews are done on skype.
I'm afraid it's not, there is a process the company has to follow which is exactly as you describe in your paragraphs but in NL the company will only follow that process if......
A) The company really wants you
B) The company really wants you
C) The company really wants you
so yes, I am very correct in what I say, I have looked into it in depth over the last 20 years.
They must have ticket the right boxes as it is far from easy to get in these days.
Magic dust? No. Unnecessary cost, time and inefficiency, yes.
I'm merely pointing out that the grapes of wrath scenario that some of you expect on here is simply in your head, some would find negativity in eutopia. I'm extremely positive about the coming year especially, yes me, one of the few in this argument that has really lost his job.
Tell me eutopia was deliberate Stan, I love it.
You've lost your job, not your right to live and work in 27 nations
As I may or may not have mentioned about x posts ago. If you don't find something else in a period of time you can be threatened with deportation, the same way non eu nationals would be. I have an actual scenario that I am not going to post again but yeah, at the end of the day I can go and live anywhere in the world if there is a job and the company wants me, I am not limited to 27 like you.
Right now you could go to 27 countries tomorrow, you are not limited to 'if a company wants you'