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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Rightnr said:
That's just not logical nor practical. If you are holding a referendum on a hugely significant and divisive issue (which in Brexit's case will change the established order for the past 40 years), it is standard practice for almost any relatively established democracy to require a supermajority (60% or 66%) as well as a minimum voter participation (that was met in the Brexit vote, to be fair).

I have not heard anyone question Trump's legitimacy even though <50% voted for him, for example (not on that front at least) because the rules were clear up front (even if they are hugely skewed to help Republicans).

Otherwise, you end up with a situation where a solid % of the population is very dissatisfied with this decision that will determine the direction of the country for years and years. Even more so in the case where the younger generation who will have to live with the decision for what is their whole (or most of their) life.
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I agree. However, let me say that this issue shouldn't be solved with a referendum.

Referendums are strange beasts. In Malta we had one against hunting. Hunting is a thorny issue there and while there's a strong minority of hunters with a well organized lobby, the rest of the islands loathe them. We were 100% sure that if we somehow managed to bypass politics we'll be able to control their practices more. Its started really well, with polls giving us a healthy lead of 10 points. Then, the big guns kicked in by getting endorsements from extremely popular politicians and the issue changed completely. Hunting took a very minor role and the referendum become more about giving a trashing to unpopular politicians who stirred away from endorsing the hunters (which was interpreted as them being anti hunting). We ended up losing the referendum.

I can see some parallels between this referendum and Brexit, with Boris giving legitimacy to the cause and voters being eager to give a thrashing to unpopular politicians who imposed austerity on them. Not to forget the many emotions surrounding it (like making the UK great again and getting control) that drove people to vote against the EU despite having nothing to do with the UK's relationship with the EU.
 
I wonder how long it will be before there's an escalation in tensions in Ireland over the border issue. Seems the perfect powder keg, what with the power sharing dispute already between the DUP and Sinn Fein, plus the fact the DUP basically has this government by its balls. The establishment of a hard border could be the 2-ton led pipe that breaks the camel's back. If shit does kick off again in Northern Ireland it'll be the least surprising development of the lot. Hard-line Brexit supporters will happily see it as a price worth paying.
 
Adisa said:
Never seen a country so hell bent on self harm.
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Helloooooo!!
 
712 said:
I've been away for a week, so I'm trying to catch up, but we still seem to be headed for a hard brexit, and a hard Irelands border.

Pretty shit really, but I can't see any evidence to the contrary.
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Looks that way and no transition either at this rate.
When the EU asked May to tell them what she wanted to do, she misunderstood and only told them which cherries she wanted.
 
I've been amazed at the positive reception of this speech in the British press. No one seems to be able to call out May and explain to normal people she's not said anything that would drive the process further.

This just makes it obvious why people voted out. There's a profound level of misinformation about how the EU works in this country.
 
Rightnr said:
I've been amazed at the positive reception of this speech in the British press. No one seems to be able to call out May and explain to normal people she's not said anything that would drive the process further.

This just makes it obvious why people voted out. There's a profound level of misinformation about how the EU works in this country.
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The majority of the press want the UK to leave, it would be so easy to disprove all the nonsense but on one hand no-one wants to do so and secondly so much of the public doesn't want to listen. Corbyn could have destroyed May in parliament but didn't.

Think they must be putting something in the water, the public seem like brainwashed zombies.
Even the supposed Tory rebels are not really going to challenge May.
 
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But don't forget 'the will of the people' trumps all. It doesn't matter if the economy's going to crap or that the country's going to spend years in an unnecessary exercise in futility just to get poorer.
 
Have we established who/what the post-Brexit scapegoat is going to be for everything that’s wrong.

I assume it’s still the EU?
 
Xeno said:
Have we established who/what the post-Brexit scapegoat is going to be for everything that’s wrong.

I assume it’s still the EU?
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Cameron, May, and Corbyn. I've no doubt many here will discount Corbyn, but he's had as much time as May to come up with a strategy and he's been just as wishy-washy and useless as she has.
 
712 said:
Cameron, May, and Corbyn. I've no doubt many here will discount Corbyn, but he's had as much time as May to come up with a strategy and he's been just as wishy-washy and useless as she has.
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everything will be fine once Sir Keir is leader.
 
Xeno said:
Have we established who/what the post-Brexit scapegoat is going to be for everything that’s wrong.

I assume it’s still the EU?
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EU would make the most sense to me given they're already the longstanding target. Easier to keep on blaming outsiders rather than actually accepting that the UK made a series of obvious & stupid mistakes.
 
All you need to do to know who'll be blamed when things inevitably go tits up, is read the BBC comments on the Brexit topics.

It's pretty obvious the evil EU is not giving Special Britain a fair deal. A colleague at work asked me 'How do we know if the EU was giving us a good deal when we were a member?'

That's what the Leave demagogues did so well. They made the Remain side have to disprove the myth that outside the EU things will go back to the good times of Empire. It's impossible to do because you're fighting someone's imagination.
 
But not Labour supporters of course. Apart from the northern ones, the old ones, the uneducated ones and the generally stupid ones, obviously; but the rest of the Labour supporters are definitely not to blame. The others aren't real Labour anyway.
 
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Anyone ignorant enough to support a hard Brexit is not in my good books, that's for sure.
 
Jippy said:
:lol:That's clearly the real problem here.
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Considering how Trump's US act and the leverage the US will have on a desperate UK, I won't be surprised if they order the UK to name the Cornish pasties something else so that the US companies can name them Cornish pastries. (joking)
 
Silva said:
tbf it is a problem, the EU is pretty good at protecting regional industries which could be thrown out of the window when Britain is negotiating new trade deals.
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That's another unexpected consequence of the vote I guess. Must admit I wasn't sure if the regional goods was EU law or some other supranational body or law. Agree it's a decent law.
 
712 said:
But not Labour supporters of course. Apart from the northern ones, the old ones, the uneducated ones and the generally stupid ones, obviously; but the rest of the Labour supporters are definitely not to blame. The others aren't real Labour anyway.
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:rolleyes:
 
I read this 5 minutes later

Check out @TonyTassell’s Tweet:

Brexiters are fecking everything because they couldn't handle a few brown people living down the road
 
Mozza said:
I read this 5 minutes later

Check out @TonyTassell’s Tweet:

Brexiters are fecking everything because they couldn't handle a few brown people living down the road
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Makes sense from a power politics point of view since the UK alone won't have equal leverage like the EU so the US is able to extract a better deal off them.
 
712 said:
Ignore me, I forgot for a moment how stupid Trump is.
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The problem with nationalism is its unfeasable. If everyone starts putting their own country's interests first and ahead to other country's interests then we would end up poking each others eyes. That's how 2 World wars started.
 
Javi said:
Makes sense from a power politics point of view since the UK alone won't have equal leverage like the EU so the US is able to extract a better deal for themselves.
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If people had the habit to say it that way, it would make things clearer.
 
Mozza said:
I read this 5 minutes later

Check out @TonyTassell’s Tweet:

Brexiters are fecking everything because they couldn't handle a few brown people living down the road
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There is obviously going to be a torrent of these stories coming up. Wonder when the damage will start to sink in with some.

This quote in the FT article sums it up nicely.

“You can’t just scratch out ‘EU’ and put in ‘UK’.”
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