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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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I have spent the last 30 odd years trading throughout the world including Australia. The standards in Australia are not the same as the EU. Any product that comes from the EU and is shipped to Australia has to comply with Australian standards (which are tough) and any product that comes from Australia shipped to Europe has to comply with EU standards and if it does it can circulate within the EU countries.

However, there still have to be customs checks because Australia is not in the Custom's Union.

The UK wants to leave the custom's union and trade on WTO rules. WTO rules dictate that there has to be a hard border.

Australia, however, is a good country to bring up because about 20 years ago it took about 5/6 weeks for shipments to reach there - now because there are fewer ships, everything is shipped through hubs, containers are trans-shipped from vessels to vessels and ports to ports. The last shipment I shipped to Australia a couple of years ago took over 4 months because of massive congestion in Shanghai.

Trading with Europe is on a short-term basis where everything is time dependent and delays in documentation (which will be necessary) will cause untold delays, whereas if you are dealing with a country a long distance away you have all the time in the world to get the documentation you require.

Nevertheless customs checks are only a part of the problem that will be caused by the UK leaving.

Do you think after Brexit (with hard border) the just in time UK industry will be able to function after an obvious period of adjustment?
 
I’m on the fence over metric (Britain has a weird hybrid of the two systems anyway), but yep when it comes to roads and la liga I stand by my position. ;)

And you think the 27 will show you any merci with any Brexit deal/extension/trying to get back on article 50. Madness
 
Some of that lovely Brexit cake.

I'd imagine the DUP were partly supportive for purely political reasons; they would've known that going against Brexit would've likely pissed off their very conservative, pro-UK base who would've likely been opposed to the idea of the EU itself. But still...the fact no one sat back and thought what a headache it'd be for Northern Ireland (and the DUP itself by extension) is fecking astounding. And hilarious. In a sort grimly ironic way.
 
I'd imagine the DUP were partly supportive for purely political reasons; they would've known that going against Brexit would've likely pissed off their very conservative, pro-UK base who would've likely been opposed to the idea of the EU itself. But still...the fact no one sat back and thought what a headache it'd be for Northern Ireland (and the DUP itself by extension) is fecking astounding. And hilarious. In a sort grimly ironic way.
They also got that big multi billion budget increase dont forget.
 
Do you think after Brexit (with hard border) the just in time UK industry will be able to function after an obvious period of adjustment?

The just in time industry cannot survive in the UK without a totally frictionless border. Even a country with land borders with many possible border crossing places would find it extremely difficult, one hiccup in the system and total chaos. With Great Britain being an island with very few points of crossing it's impossible.

It has to have the same laws, same standards , everything. It's not just the inspections, it's the paperwork, even digital documents. This is more of a concern than tariffs being added.
 
True. Were they pro Brexit before the referrendum?
Bear in mind the Tories and Labour both campaigned as pro-Brexit, so I guess the choice for the DUP was between watching a minority Brexit government they had no influence in, and supporting a Brexit government who at least were their traditional allies. We know cash was involved as well, but no doubt other promises were also made.
 
You are brittish. You know cake and eat it :p

Must be that you had been away for too long and you are losing the brittish charm

Sarcasm is basically the core of all British charm, I’m sorry it slipped over your head. :)
 
Forget brexit for a second. StudenSt of history, has there been a weaker PM than this? I almost feel sorry for her. Put her out of her misery ffs.
 
Boris Johnson is shitting on your corn flakes, PM

"Boris has strong views on breakfast, but so do I!"
 
Forget brexit for a second. StudenSt of history, has there been a weaker PM than this? I almost feel sorry for her. Put her out of her misery ffs.


Painful viewing. All politicians are vacuous in their public rhetoric to some extent so as not to attract controversy, but she's dreadfully obvious when dodging questions.
 
Forget brexit for a second. StudenSt of history, has there been a weaker PM than this? I almost feel sorry for her. Put her out of her misery ffs.


Not in my lifetime, Chamberlain possibly. Any other PM would have sacked Johnson.

Apart from looking like a rabbit in the headlights and the obvious terror of losing her job, all the other things were untrue as well.
She didn't get the Joint Report done because as soon as she got back to the UK, she denied it and also it's still not in legal text. The implementation/transition period is not agreed until all the other points have been resolved including the Irish border and the backstop will be rejected. She has achieved absolutely nothing.

If you replace her, who takes her place, that may be even more scary.
 
Then that's where Ill go.

In fact, that makes even more sense. Ill fly to Dublin, by a car, drive it to Belfast because there will be no border, get a boat to Liverpool because there will be no border there either, and then ill drive home.

This Brexit lark is going to be super convenient.

Sounds like a solid plan mate, can't see you having any problems with it after Brexit.
 
I have spent the last 30 odd years trading throughout the world including Australia. The standards in Australia are not the same as the EU. Any product that comes from the EU and is shipped to Australia has to comply with Australian standards (which are tough) and any product that comes from Australia shipped to Europe has to comply with EU standards and if it does it can circulate within the EU countries.

However, there still have to be customs checks because Australia is not in the Custom's Union.

The UK wants to leave the custom's union and trade on WTO rules. WTO rules dictate that there has to be a hard border.

Australia, however, is a good country to bring up because about 20 years ago it took about 5/6 weeks for shipments to reach there - now because there are fewer ships, everything is shipped through hubs, containers are trans-shipped from vessels to vessels and ports to ports. The last shipment I shipped to Australia a couple of years ago took over 4 months because of massive congestion in Shanghai.

Trading with Europe is on a short-term basis where everything is time dependent and delays in documentation (which will be necessary) will cause untold delays, whereas if you are dealing with a country a long distance away you have all the time in the world to get the documentation you require.

Nevertheless customs checks are only a part of the problem that will be caused by the UK leaving.

I was under the impression it was much easier than all of that to move goods and services across the EU and Australia than that.

Isnt there an agreement to recognise the standards between the two areas? Ill try and find the information that I read, pretty sure EU is Australias largest trading partner and that there are existing agreements. But if youre in that business then you probably know a lot more than me about it.
 
8 months away and there doesn't exist even a basis for a negotiation. Don't expect for any of the architects of this mess to be about within 3 months of the March 19th date. Boris, Davis, Fox, Gove - they'll all find a way of temporarily leaving front line politics just before the shit makes contact with the fan. Enough time to distance themselves from the mess it'll be.

"Well if I was in charge that wouldn't have happened"
 
I was under the impression it was much easier than all of that to move goods and services across the EU and Australia than that.

Isnt there an agreement to recognise the standards between the two areas? Ill try and find the information that I read, pretty sure EU is Australias largest trading partner and that there are existing agreements. But if youre in that business then you probably know a lot more than me about it.

There is a planned FTA, the negotiations will start in the near future but they have been authorized only since last week. There is a mutual recognition agreement but it's not akin to no checks, it just makes it simpler, faster and cheaper than regular customs, the authorities still can and actually do check batches.
http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/australia/
 
8 months away and there doesn't exist even a basis for a negotiation. Don't expect for any of the architects of this mess to be about within 3 months of the March 19th date. Boris, Davis, Fox, Gove - they'll all find a way of temporarily leaving front line politics just before the shit makes contact with the fan. Enough time to distance themselves from the mess it'll be.

"Well if I was in charge that wouldn't have happened"

Boris Johnson has been trying to get himself sacked for a long time now
 
At what point does this stop? Because it seems even those in power realise it will be a shitstorm, even if they won't admit as much. People just seem to be reluctantly accepting it, even if the opinion polls show the majority think it is being handled badly.
 
I was under the impression it was much easier than all of that to move goods and services across the EU and Australia than that.

Isnt there an agreement to recognise the standards between the two areas? Ill try and find the information that I read, pretty sure EU is Australias largest trading partner and that there are existing agreements. But if youre in that business then you probably know a lot more than me about it.

There will still be customs checks though.
@JPRouve has covered it very well

I would add that about 77% of Australia's exports go to Asia (only 4.6% to the UK) , see table below, proximity plays a major part and freight is very expensive .
https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/aus/

Additionally I have shipped to Australia from non-EU countries (which the UK will be by April next year) and life gets a lot more complicated.

The country I have shipped to the most from non-EU countries is the USA.
 


I think this is what is behind the ‘just get on with it’ malaise. People don’t understand that all the things they do care about face getting considerably worse if Brexit fecks up. It’s just seen as something that doesn’t effect real people’s lives.
 
I actually don't get it, is he ignoring the millions of people that work for companies that are directly linked to the single market?

Potentially losing your job or being forced to move are big issues. You won't be doing alright if you've got no job. Also not sure what he think's the countries main priority is but if it's austerity, that will likely increase under a post-Brexit Tory government.

 
Potentially losing your job or being forced to move are big issues. You won't be doing alright if you've got no job. Also not sure what he think's the countries main priority is but if it's austerity, that will likely increase under a post-Brexit Tory government.



His answer is why people are worried about Brexit, because they don't know what their future is made of. The first time I heard about Brexit it was my issue with it, it's that people championing it don't know where they are heading to and they can't know because it's not a decision that they can take alone, unless the plan is to have no special interaction with foreign countries and markets, in that case you know what will happen.
 
He says austerity is a more pressing issue.
We've had austerity for 8 years and I'd like to know if he thinks brexit won't impact the degree of austerity