Dear, oh dear. That tweet hasn't aged well, has it?
He should never have called the referendum. What an awful legacy Cameron has left. His Prime Ministership has been so damaging.
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Dear, oh dear. That tweet hasn't aged well, has it?
He should never have called the referendum. What an awful legacy Cameron has left. His Prime Ministership has been so damaging.
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Here is a thought...given the age demographics isn't it possible that a chunk of leavers are now dead and their grand kids fired up enough to vote remain? (I recall seeing the youth vote was pro remain but sat on their hands and stayed home like a bunch of numpties.)
No, he should never have put it in the manifesto and people shouldn't have voted for it
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44761056
Will be interesting to see who she now puts in charge of negotiations... Hard to imagine any pick that won't be divisive and "unnacceptable" to one side or the other...
I imagine there will now be a scramble between mogg, Davies and johnson (and Gove?) To be the defacto leadership challenger to may...
It's gonna get messy with plenty of shit slinging from all sides
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Is this the next step in a series that brings JRM to the front of the queue to become PM? Davis resigning makes Boris and Gove look bad by their lack of association. No doubt they'll come out with the line that they were standing together with May for the good of the country, now is not the time for division but unity etc. etc. but I'm sure many will see their decision to toe the line as career-driven rather than one motivated by principles.
I wouldnt want to step into the PM role right now.
Actually thinking about timelines...
Leadership contest in the conservative party (at least a month or two)... the General election (three months) probably guarantees a hard brexit as it takes us past the timeline for any deal to be ratified across the eu...
Yeah I'm fairness I think whoever is pm if that happens will pretty much be gone before the end of 2019...
It's a strange and scary world where the best chance of any deal with the eu is the maybot
Boris will now have to resign from cabinet if he is to be leader of the rebels ending his decade long Tory leadership plan. I reckon he will show his true colours and back down. There is likely to be a referendum on BREXIT now so god knows what will happen then. Possibility of no BREXIT?
I think Davies fancies the job himself...
Johnson probably thinks staying loyal (But blatantly being unhappy about it all) is a better way to win votes from party loyalists ?
But Davies mogg Johnson gove even fox and ledsom... it's gonna be a battle to become the chosen one to take on may... (I guess it will happen soon to try and have it out of the way before conference at the end of september)
Theresa May be like
If you choose to ignore the only polling company that got the election right, which has them in the lead in their last poll, obviously.
Can we now all agree that this dream will never work and give it another, but this time "proper", vote so we can kill it off altogether?
There's still a good chance leave would win again.
Can't see it myself. Most leave voters I know are now aware of the ridiculousness of it all.
Even after all the uncertainty and chaos around the Government there are still people banging on about protecting our borders. Leave will surely pull some lie out of their arse again to convince people.
Do you really think so? Interesting. Most people that I speak to have either revised their decision now they have all the facts or (a much larger figure) didn't vote in the first place as they never thought it would go through – but definitely would now.
We will have to see what most people you speak to think if the EU rejects May's soft brexit plans, or asks for so much money in return that no British government would ever pay it.
I don't know if this will actually happen, or what the public reaction will be if it does, but neither does anyone else.
WTF
I agree - I think there was some complacency among the remain side last time which would definitely not be repeated. Also, we have had 2 years of proof that a “have cake and eat it” arrangement is not possible so, rather than re-run Project Fear, remain would simply need to keep pinning down leave on specifics - i.e. what is your actual proposal beyond David Davis back of a fag packet scribblings and bluster about a red white and blue Brexit?
After giving it a thought last night, I'm beginning to think another referendum or GE is inevitable. May's plan is not going to get through parliament. A harder brexit plan would also never see the light of day. If this plan doesn't get through parliament as is looking likely, she's finished.
Davis resignation has increased the chances of a no deal. Imagine she makes more concessions?
Davis resignation has increased the chances of a no deal. Imagine she makes more concessions?
Who is actually advocating a 2nd referendum? May isn't, her cabinet isn't, much of the Tory party doesn't seem to be, Corbyn isn't. Maybe a GE will be called with the promise of a 2nd referendum from either side but I don't think they will do that. A GE seems the more likely option but with two pro-Brexit candidates from the two major parties.
I am reasonably sure we'd vote Leave if there's another vote. I don't think Remain would turn out.
it's all very easy criticizing a millionaire who went into government to further his business interests and changed policy so that his private school pals could make a killing in contracts and the stock market and then send the country over the cliff and jumps off just in time so that he can make a killing with said friends at its expense.
What makes you the moral aurhority sir??
I think a lot of people didn't vote because they were convinced that it would be a remain whitewash.
I guess i'm just hopeful that there will be less people who actually believe them.
We haven't reached that point yet. There is a chance we will when no brexit bill can pass through parliament.
I simply refuse to believe it's got to the point where the only choice is "Would you like your BREXIT soft or hard sir?".
No BREXIT has to be thrown back into the mix … surely?
BTW: This is me agreeing with you!
If one cabinet member resigns you have no authority.
What about if a dozen or more resign?
What about if a dozen or more resign?
If anything I'd say the leaver's will be more determined to get out than ever. what's changed from their point of view only the EU fecking the UK around (according to brexiteer's, that is) ?
What's the point of another referendum? Just admit it's not gone to plan and as such cannot be followed through with
Governments are chickens who can't make tough decisions. If there is another GE or referendum, I don't expect No Brexit to be on the table.
Both will probably be fought over how hard or soft you want your brexit.
That's my point and why I think the government will go back to the people. The hard brexiteers would also have the same problem if they took over government.
You can't just hold a referendum and forget it happened.
I see your point, but from a personal perspective then people I associate with have changed their minds and can see that Brexit was a bad judgement call.
It would never happen but there should be another referendum - although saying that there was a lot of bad blood around after the first.
Sad to say but the best chance of a soft brexit is actually May retaining as much power as possible. What a fecked up situation.
Since it was advisory only you could in fact do exactly that. They're too spineless to do that though so will piss around with hard/soft options that will never work or throw it back to the public as a second referendum
Agreed, JRM and BJ would happily let us crash out with no deal, in fact this chaos just runs the clock down. They're probably rubbing their hands together and smirking.
Who exactly would front the remain campaign? David Beckham?