It's understandable though, given there are no obvious positives and no plan, it makes sense why people are doom and gloom. Add on the fact that those in charge have shown to be completely incompetent from all sides.
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It's understandable though, given there are no obvious positives and no plan, it makes sense why people are doom and gloom. Add on the fact that those in charge have shown to be completely incompetent from all sides.
IT is a safe bet no matter what
Anyway, it is even more weird that you're not overly concerned with 'no deal' scenario.Have they figured out how to renegotiate the Open Skies agreement?
I don't do optimism or pessimism.
Only do logic and reality.
Food and currency are just a couple of thousands of other problems caused by no-deal but we've probably covered them all at some point in the past two and a half years.
Only internal flights after the end of March.
Well, only to an extent. It's not good, but it's not the end of the world either like. And I dislike this doom prophesying going on, especially when I don't think it's based on realism.
IT is a safe bet no matter what
I'm concerned. I'm just don't believe everything will go to complete shit and the UK turn into Zimbabwe overnight which is the picture some people are painting.
It would be nice to hear a single, solitary positive to coming out of Europe, just one thing.
tbf, my dad did come up with something, that the EU accounts audit report has never been unqualified. Considering things like the expenses scandal, that doesn't really wash with me. In any case, it isn't a reason the leave the EU.
Zimbabwe has food
Yeah, you're in my list of people that are detached from reality.
Zimbabwe is optimistic. I'm picturing more Mad Max : Fury Road
Let me know when I get something wrong. Keep crossing your fingers.
Well what about Northern Ireland then? A no deal brexit will almost certainly mean some sort of customs border here. That is reality.
That was a joke, but they do have to something quickly because time is running out. There are so many things to sort out but the government have their head in the sand and hope they will all go away or that the EU and WTO et al will give way and let them do as they please. Criminal negligence.
How about I'll let you know when you get something right?
Everything so far.
Isn't this an issue that effects a huge amount of Leavers? You'd think this is something they should be getting beaten over the head with.
The ones I know barely leave their back yard. So probably not.
Not really. They're talking about food shortages, long delays at borders, shortages of certain medicines, international business relocating, stuff like that. Now that's not "Zimbabwe overnight" but these are all distinct possibilities (some would say probabilities) in the event of a hard Brexit in March next year.
You seem convinced that civil servants will come to the rescue with some contingency plans to prevent all these dire scenarios but given the gross incompetence that's obvious at the top of the food chain I think it's wildly optimistic to think that the various agencies ruled over by these clowns will somehow save the day. Not when I've yet to hear a single voice from any of these agencies come out and say anything other than the fact that hard Brexit would cause horrendous problems for them.
I have a bit of familiarity with one of these issues (licensing and supply of medicines) and I can assure you that there would be devastating consequences for Britain if they left the EU tomorrow and workarounds for these consequences will take years, rather than months, to implement. People just don't seem to realise how fragile these distribution networks are until something goes wrong (as someone already mentioned, the KFC chicken fiasco was a good recent example)
But it seems they think everything will carry on as before except they won't be paying the EU and there will be no more foreigners.
Problem is that they have absolutely no idea what they have voted for.
Apparently it's not only leavers.
At least the women will all be fit.
You have special list for that?
Yeah but we're not living the EU tomorrow. We don't even know under what condition we're leaving the EU yet, negotiations haven't even started . They should be planning for "no deal" Brexit, if they aren't already, but they can't start to implement anything until the decision of the nature of Brexit has been finalised.
I believe that what will be agreed by next March is a deferred very hard Brexit (without a trade aggrement or customs union) and with an X years implementation horizon. This will suit both sides as they both will need more time to implement the changes required.
I am sorry, but this simply isn't the case. They aren't ignoring this stuff, there are 2 issues:
1) There simply isn't enough time to deal with everything.
2) They can not agree on anything so nothing is getting done.
Why couldn't we just stick with the status quo?
Then, whilst half the people would have something to moan about, at least they'd still have their cheap holidays.
You’d need 8 years to plan for a no deal brexit. We’ve got 8 months and time is ticking rapidly. We are fecked
I imagine it will involve Theresa May standing on a table flapping her arms and screeching ‘Flying means Flying!!’ at an EU negotiator.
You see that's why you have to question the intent behind Brexit. Common sense would have lead to a first agreement to leave after the next EU budget period, so at least 2024. That way you not only give yourself a lot of time to create a UK outside of the EU from a legal standpoint but also in terms human resources.
I am sorry, but this simply isn't the case. They aren't ignoring this stuff, there are 2 issues:
1) There simply isn't enough time to deal with everything.
2) They can not agree on anything so nothing is getting done.
Why couldn't we just stick with the status quo?
Then, whilst half the people would have something to moan about, at least they'd still have their cheap holidays.
I agree with you but it has been a hard Brexit since day one unless they left in name only so they've had two years to get ready, even that's nowhere long enough but they have done absolutely nothing because they don't know what to do.
May was right about one thing, the country is united, everyone is moaning.
Tbh, the BoE will like the inflation to an extent, to inflate away a bit of the debt. Inflation does change the fundamentals though as it reduces consumer spending, which the economy is so reliant on. Unemployment is low, granted. There are other issues like the hideous productivity gap, corporate/personal/sovereign debt levels, housing bubble etc...
If it's a no deal by March, there will be no implementation period, that's the whole point.
Furthermore it's not March when that has to be decided, it's by October.
From the EU's point of view, will they ever accept anything that isn't close to the status quo?
Would they rather we had a hard Brexit than let us go with soft terms?
Would they rather we had a hard Brexit than let us go with soft terms?
What are "soft terms" and what do you consider like "close to status quo"?
No it’s not. October is the planned EU summit to discuss Brexit. Nothing more, nothing less. They can plan as many summits as they feel they need afterwards. There’s already talks of “emergency” summits in November and December.
Brexit day is March 29. Which can be delayed if that’s what is agreed between the UK and the EU in the meantime. Granted timeline is very pressing but they don’t strictly have to agree anything by this October.
If by status quo you mean EEA/Norway type then EU will be happy to accommodate the UK.
There is no real reason to damage the relationship from the EU's perspective, I still don't think any major European politician is going to stand up and say "lets get 'em". I don't think it will lack a good will, but it needs a lot more than good will. They need to find solutions that every country can live with and there are 27 different sets of interests, and not much time to get it sorted. The side that needs to negotiate all of this (UK Government), and get it sorted in their interest, doesn't even have a unified position on it's on approach though, so that is more than worrying. So the obvious inclination is to keep it as close to the current status because everyone found a way to live with that...
Soft terms is keeping it close to status quo though, so I think most would be very happy with that.
The British need to understand that there isn't some magical EU figure in Brussels that decides for all of us though, whatever Brussels does is the result of a long process and political compromises. (I don't mean you here)
Yeah the Uk are so important that all the EU are going to do is talk about Brexit until the end of time, October is not just about Brexit - it might stray into November but it certainly is not going to be March 28 2019 when a decision is made.
Apart from anything else it's taken the UK over 2 years to get absolutely nowhere, nothing is decided, what makes you think anything is going to change in the next few months and until September they'll be on holiday. Sounds like you have confidence in the government to actually do something of substance and which the EU will agree to.
And that's where the fact that the UK are after a deal while giving nothing is problematic. There is nothing that the UK brings that is not already within the EU, this entire exercise is to try to not damage things too much.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ys-white-paper-heightens-no-deal-brexit-fears
EU assault on May's white paper heightens 'no deal' Brexit fears
EU assault on May's white paper heightens 'no deal' Brexit fears
Well knock me down with a feather.