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The predictions are that the UK population will grow by 9.7 million in the next 25 years. That's equivalent to 3 cities the size of Manchester.

A lot of that is driven by people simply living longer, you're not proposing mandatory euthanasia are you?
 
Here's the Irish study, I'd imagine a UK one would follow a similar trend.


The > 65 increase is actually more than double, yikes.

The older population (i.e. those aged 65 years and over) is projected to increase very significantly from its 2016 level of 629,800 persons to nearly 1.6 million by 2051 under the more positive M1 and M2 migration assumptions and to nearly 1.53 million under more conservative M3 migration scenario.
And the percentage of the working population will decline.

This is all under the assumption too that Ireland's net migration continually increases to the point where it doubles of even triples.

So, good luck UK.
 
Agree 100%. There are huge numbers of people in Britain who are like that joke about mushrooms. Kept in the dark and fed a constant diet of shit. I'm not defending the misinformation they're fed, just arguing that don't think it's helpful to label them all as racists.

And I agree with that, I myself don't really like these generalizations, I don't even think that they help us understand the issues, it just creates tranches. The main issue is that some people in Europe are poor and they don't have any hope for it to improve for themselves or their children.
 
I'm not proposing anything at all. And for your information it is estimated that 51% of it will be from immigration.

The study by ONS was pre-Brexit if I remember rightly. One signifcant issue lost in the increase number is come 2039, 1 in 12 people will be over 80. That's going to happen regardless.

A HR Consultancy firm called Mercer recently looked into what we will see is a significant issue in terms of workers come 2025 particularly as the amount of over 50s will increase by a quarter.

http://www.cityam.com/283156/uk-facing-workforce-crisis-2025-perfect-storm-ageing

It's why I suspect whatever happens with FOM, we will probably go back on it in some way.
 
And that makes them racist?!

You have the most insanely all-encompassing definition of a racist I’ve ever heard.
Was this an exaggeration? I don't think you're that sheltered.
 
I’ve always been firmly of the opinion that immigration has a very clear net benefit for the economy but a twitter thread someone posted the other day had some interesting points about how it’s not quite that simple.

This doesn’t necessarily change my mind but it’s definitely far too complex an issue to label of anyone with any doubts as a racist. And that’s when educated people delve deep into the data. Most of the people directly affected by scarcity of resources are going to take a much more straightforward view on what’s happening and see more people arriving in an already strained environment as a potential problem that will get worse and worse over time. The worst you can say about them is that they’re poorly informed or under-educated.

Now some of them may well be racist. Calling them all racists is insulting, unnecessary and plain wrong.

Probably also worth noting that while net migration figures are relatively low (at least in comparison) to the population, some areas will be more impacted than others. Up in Scotland, while I don't have the figures at hand, I believe immigration levels are generally a lot lower than in the rest of the UK. This is especially noticeable in a lot of non-city towns which, while still reasonable in size, have very low immigrant populations.

That's not to say it's necessarily a bad thing that other areas have more, of course, since I'd subscribe to the view that diversity tends to be a good thing, but it probably is important to note that people experience immigration in different ways and that no two individuals will have an identical experience in relation to it. Indeed, even if solely through pot luck, it's conceivable that the effects of immigration on the economy and community could hypothetically be brilliant in one town, while being more negative in another. Because like with all people you can't always just put immigrants into convenient boxes and not account for divergences in social circumstances, economic mobility, age, gender etc.

Although of course there is the notable irony that a lot of the most pro-Brexit areas where you'll likely see more racists will end up being rural communities who don't have that much to do with them.
 
That's the most insanely all-encompassing definition of racism you've ever heard?

I can't imagine that.

You're not hearing much if that's the most extreme you're coming across.
 
There's always the Soylent Green solution. Tackles food poverty as well for a win-win scenario.
 
You started off this thread many pages ago by saying Brexiteers don’t like people with a different skin colour. Now we are talking about recent alleged problems caused by migrants (e.g. housing) when the vast majority of migrants in recent years are white Europeans from the EU. Although clearly on the other side of the debate, you seem to be blurring the lines in the same way Farage did in conflating hostility to Muslims/non-whites with EU freedom of movement. What point are you making exactly?

They hate all migrants regardless of skin tone
 
I’ve always been firmly of the opinion that immigration has a very clear net benefit for the economy but a twitter thread someone posted the other day had some interesting points about how it’s not quite that simple.



This doesn’t necessarily change my mind but it’s definitely far too complex an issue to label of anyone with any doubts as a racist. And that’s when educated people delve deep into the data. Most of the people directly affected by scarcity of resources are going to take a much more straightforward view on what’s happening and see more people arriving in an already strained environment as a potential problem that will get worse and worse over time. The worst you can say about them is that they’re poorly informed or under-educated.

Now some of them may well be racist. Calling them all racists is insulting, unnecessary and plain wrong.

Some of the places with the least migration had the largest leave votes (and vice versa). Not to forget the posher richer Tories who's majority voted out, no scarcity of resources for them
 
There weren't any respectable or sensible reasons to vote for Brexit, were there?

Reasons to vote for Brexit seem to range from racist, to completely naive. At worst 'keep foreigners out innit'. At best: 'We can negotiate a magical deal without any downsides and any consequences will be non-existence because...project fear'.

I don't think it's my hindsight Remainer smugness either. Every single problem we're encountering now was eminently foreseeable but people were either too racist to care or wilfully ignorant to notice. You have to admire the die-hards though. The ones that argue that they voted exactly for food shortages, trade chaos and potential to run out of blood and medical supplies in return for something having the potential to start looking up in 50 years time. The level of self-denial is admirable to be honest.
 
Never saw that one coming.

There's been Lancaster House, Mansion House, Florence, Chequers all of which were a load of bilge.
Tower of London sounds good, they can effect the usual punishment if it all goes wrong yet again.

:lol:
 
Just when I was almost convinced there were no idiots in this world.

A third of the comments are as entertaining. One of them offers to have tariffs free trades with everyone in the EU but France and Germany who will have to suffer WTO rules, you have to wonder why these two in particular and the lack of understanding of WTO rules.
 
There weren't any respectable or sensible reasons to vote for Brexit, were there?

Reasons to vote for Brexit seem to range from racist, to completely naive. At worst 'keep foreigners out innit'. At best: 'We can negotiate a magical deal without any downsides and any consequences will be non-existence because...project fear'.

I don't think it's my hindsight Remainer smugness either. Every single problem we're encountering now was eminently foreseeable but people were either too racist to care or wilfully ignorant to notice. You have to admire the die-hards though. The ones that argue that they voted exactly for food shortages, trade chaos and potential to run out of blood and medical supplies in return for something having the potential to start looking up in 50 years time. The level of self-denial is admirable to be honest.

There were no sensible reasons but I suppose some of the leave voters must have thought that if many big names in the ruling party (Johnson, Gove, Davis, Fox) were saying we could have our cake and eat it, then maybe it could be done - “freedom” plus prosperity. A large part of the blame ultimately lies with those charlatans and fantasists in the senior echelons of the Tory Party.
 
A look at the pro-Brexit Facebook ads

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44966969

My favourite
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A third of the comments are as entertaining. One of them offers to have tariffs free trades with everyone in the EU but France and Germany who will have to suffer WTO rules, you have to wonder why these two in particular and the lack of understanding of WTO rules.

In Brexitland France and Germany govern the UK. Has any Brexiter ever made any sense or shown a grasp of any knowledge of how the EU or WTO operates?