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In the event that the EU ends up falling apart in a few years time, you'll look like visionaries.
And if it doesn't the UK will look like self destructive idiots. I know which option my money would be on.
Not that many clear advantages really. Depends how we leave. Either way you won’t be governed by the disproportionately white EU parliament so it’s a step forward in terms of racial equality.
This poll shows millions of Brexit voters now want to remain in the EU
http://uk.businessinsider.com/this-...it-voters-now-want-to-remain-in-the-eu-2018-9
Maybe at last people are seeing the consequences of leaving the EU.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/this-...it-voters-now-want-to-remain-in-the-eu-2018-9
Maybe at last people are seeing the consequences of leaving the EU.
Surprised the shift hasn't been even larger.
No surprises. But why don’t any of these polls tell you exactly what questions were asked?
You really have to wonder what the 970k who've switched to Leave are seeing to make them change their minds
People who think it more important to get on with it and honour the vote i guess. Baffling but that does seem to be a strong sentiment.
I'm a bit dissapointed by this Tony Blair group that was supposed to be launching a media campaign against it. It hasn't really happened has it?
We'll surely be healthier with the 350 Million a week extra funding promised by Johnson and Gove?
I am not because people are generally stupid
It’s because Blair is grossly unpopular and 75% of tories follow his principles so there’s no room for him
Its all just immigration and "I don't want to be dictated to" when I speak to brexit voters.
My dad is scared of some sort of German takeover of Europe as if he thinks Merkel is finishing what Hitler started. Then in the next breath he's sticking up for Trump, y'know that actual wannabe Nazi dictator.
I just don't understand them at all, there's no getting through to um. We'll be blummin begging for immigrants the way things are going.
My dad is scared of some sort of German takeover of Europe as if he thinks Merkel is finishing what Hitler started. Then in the next breath he's sticking up for Trump, y'know that actual wannabe Nazi dictator.
I just don't understand them at all, there's no getting through to um. We'll be blummin begging for immigrants the way things are going.
They probably want to dissociate themselves with the sanctimonious nature of a large faction of the remainers I would imagine.
I thought that might be part of it. It's bizarre though.
It's like someone starts sawing your leg off, then they stop and dither for 2 years and your reaction is "Well, better just get on with it" and you start sawing your own leg off.
Sanctimonious/tearing hair out in the face of the cold, very hard reality.
If the internet had been around when they were abolishing slavery, do you think the same idiots would be piping up about the sanctimony of the free slaves movement?
Case in point.
Indeed.
Nah it’s more like your dad going for a bad haircut and half way through everyone starts calling him a racist prick and wishing he would die, so you get in the chair next to him for moral support
At which point they ask you do you also want a bad haircut and you're too polite to refuse..
If you're willing to switch sides because some people on your own side kind of annoy you then you probably never really supported that original side in the first place. It's not as if Brexiteers are any less sanctimonious than Remainers.
It's seen as a betrayal of the democratic process. It isn't something I necessarily agree with as its a very black and white way of looking at things but it is understandable.
These polls are all bollocks anyway. Rarely take into account people who want to leave the EU but are unhappy with parliaments pathetic attempt to do it. Nor do they account for remainers who wouldn’t mind a “soft” brexit.
Lol, this again?
I don't get what is undemocratic about parliament unable to agree on what was an incredibly vague question in a referendum and putting it back to the people to get a clearer picture on what they want.
If you have a problem with a second referendum, then you should have had a problem with the first.
It's all about prefrence. Remainders who are willing to swallow a soft brexit would still prefer we remain. What is undeniable is that the public think the government is a shambles. But no one is putting up any solutions, neither the public nor the government. A soft brexit is the only thing that doesn't harm the economy for decades but people keep saying the government doesn't have the mandate for that. Which is fair. But the government has no mandate for hard brexit either.
This is the problem with referendums. One you go down the rabbit hole, there's often no where to go. It's time people accept the referendum in 2016 was faulty.
You can't ask a simple yes or no question on an inside that is so complex.
By the time March 2019 hits, it will have been 2 years 9 months since the referendum.
It was 2 years 1 month between the previous general elections.
Personally I think it's undemocratic to have so many elections, we should be forced to live with our decisions and abide by the democracy for at least 2 generations. Any laws outlining otherwise are simply unpatriotic and an insult to the people.
It was 2 years 1 month between the previous general elections.
Personally I think it's undemocratic to have so many elections, we should be forced to live with our decisions and abide by the democracy for at least 2 generations. Any laws outlining otherwise are simply unpatriotic and an insult to the people.
I have actually met a few people who voted remain who now say they would vote leave because they say they feel disgusted by how the EU has conducted these negotiations.
I don't agree but it isn't a niche opinion seemingly.
I don't agree but it isn't a niche opinion seemingly.
I don't know what uber beings are and I also don't know why you are coming in swinging.
I haven't insulted anyone or said anyone is an idiot, only stated a fact that some people voted remain, would now vote leave, I don't agree with their position and that I've met enough people who have said so to think it isn't a niche position.
I've seen a lot of comments along those lines online. Bizarre stance, overlooking the fact that the government can't even agree with itself about what it's Brexit position is, yet blames the EU for failing negotiations...
I still don't understand what the British public are expecting from the negotiations.
Basically at the end of the day, if the UK agree to accept the EU rules or certain EU rules they can obtain access to X or Y or Z depending on which rules they accept.
If they don't accept any of the rules they won't get anything.
100% certain is that the EU are not going to change the rules and I believe a lot of Brits actually think they will.
The EU have made this perfectly clear since day one but the UK isn't listening.
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I'd imagine there are also some who voted remain who simply believe that the result of the referendum must be respected and enforced as a matter of principle.
I would understand that position if it wasn't in favour of a side that has lied and deceived on that particular subject in order to get where they are. The moral stand makes little sense.