If this is one of the solutions we have then to say we are clutching at straws is the understatement of the century.
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If this is one of the solutions we have then to say we are clutching at straws is the understatement of the century.
Saw this already.
Doesn't say a lot apart from the infamous non-existent technology solution.
Did you vote him to be the world's greatest ?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/23/shanker-singham-is-he-the-brains-of-brexit
This article was from the Guardian yesterday.
Now we know why Brexit is in trouble.
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I know the trade union I belonged to used European law for individual cases. It was always a good threat at any rate, as companies often didn't know much about it themselves, so they knew they would be in for a costly battle from an expenses point of view. Modern unions are often in favour of the EU, it's the oldies like Corbyn and McDonnell that never noticed the seventies and eighties had finished that are against it.
Yes I think a lot of the older socialists had a fear that it would be bad for workers. I suppose the potential is there.
If we are honest in the sense of fighting against the crown virtually zero. The ideology has died as many things do with time. They'd be more interested in using their networks to make money from smuglling should there be a border and that could give rise to a different kind of violence between different factions and organised crime groups. Should that be the case it will be too close to home for border communities that have endured shockwaves of violence during the troubles.
No, in another article he was proclaimed that by many leading economists, probably not the eu tho as they know how to do shit already, just look at their recent track record.
Kind of.
England is a city
Yorkshire is a rouge state.
That's why no one mentions it, it's clearly not happening but it's nonetheless an option.
I'm willing to drop it at any sign of an actual clue. The issue is that first their solution isn't in "Brexit Prize", in fact iirc Ireland is mentioned once as an example of debt crisis and if you try to dig a little bit outside of it, the solution is the one offered by the EU, here you have an article from the Guardian that makes it clear, Ireland as a whole would be isolated from the UK and the UK would update Northern Irish rules in accordance to EU Laws, borders would be around the island and checks would be made in situ and around the border.
He's proclaimed by Brextremists.
Here's their Brexit prize.
https://iea.org.uk/publications/plan-a-creating-a-prosperous-post-brexit-uk/
Gave up after page 37 and really struggled to get that far. Sounds like he is in cahoots with Minford.
I looked at both Brexit Prize and Plan A, it's special but this article points to something else that is a bit more worrying.
Yes.
Also Minford made up a lot of similar extraordinary figures.
I did read a bit more and although it seems a bit more thought out than Minford's but it still seems detached from reality.
There were several passages where I was laughing out loud.
Worrying that he cant get the same results from the model? Like some school kids got different results from the eu austerity model? Or different?
So.. the Irish border solution is......
Looks like John McDonnell has done a 180 on there being no remain option in a peoples vote
I find anyone trying to find a break through better than repetative no sayers saying it cant be done so lets not try. Its like being at work.
Apply EU laws in Northern Ireland and effectively separate it from the rest of the UK. It reminds me something.
If someone comes up with a sensible solution , fine - still waiting
Yes it does
I disagree,if the British Army are sent to man the borders then it will start up again
The DUP have the Tories and therefore the UK by the balls, good luck with that.
They already rejected that proposition, so you are right.
Edit: The IEA literally stole that idea from the EU, https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-irish-border-unacceptable-says-arlene-foster
I don't know if Ultimate Grip is Irish, but I know you are, why the smiley, do you think differently? I am genuinely interested
Even in the very unlikely event of no deal there will be no army installation at the border. Even someone as incompetent as Theresa May will not feck up that badly.
Put it this way the moment a border installation goes up then some other things will be going up...in the air. This will go very wrong very quickly. Basically yet again Britain is tainting Ireland with its shit. We do not deserve the hassle of being their neighbours.
I personally think you’re overreacting. There will be no hard border even in the unlikely event of no deal. A bilateral agreement will ensure that even if the government will somehow manage to see us crash out of the EU. The CTA will be protected as it’s both in the interests of Britain and Ireland.
For a northern ireland solution how about northern ireland just being declared a state, they join the eu seperately and are given a favourable, exclusive trade deal with Britain as a once off. The eu's rules re negotiating as a bloc remain mostly undamaged. Leaving aside the politics its really not in northern irelands interest to leave the EU. Puts a lot of onus on Stormont and theres a thousand other problems with the idea but i think it has some vague possibility of working.
The DUP will burn the country down before they allow that to happen. They were strongly against the Good Friday Agreement despite that promising to bring peace. Now that they have the government by the balls they can dictate anything they want.
The EU has introduced far more for workers rights than UK government and the UK labour movement have done. The UK labour movement largely focused on big wage increases for certain high profile, predominantly male roles and left women largely to go swing. Meanwhile Unions in places like Germany took a more responsible position, gradually looking to gain a place on the board, help support their workers and actually help make the company perform better too.
These German unions showed that having an engaged union partnership with a business was actually a great thing and helped spur on the EU to write a lot of what they did into law for everyone else. Sadly the UK Labour movement is still largely stuck in the past with McDonnell going on about protecting workers picketing at "factory gates".
If you in one of those predominantly male roles the Unions liked to champion like say a "binman" then you would undoubtedly be unhappy with the EU as (due to equal pay legislation) you have lost lots of weird and wonderful bonuses that you won through endless disputes and strike actions. If however you are a worker in a less militant area such as engineering or service industry, or female then the EU has helped you tremendously, far more than Unions have done.
Not sure how happy binmen were because in some councils their pay was significantly reduced with the introduction of equal pay. Instead of bumping the dinner ladies up, they bumped the binmen down.
Cross dressing capital of the UK? Tell that to Geoffrey Boycott.
It won't be the IRA that starts being violent, it will be loyalist paramilitaries. There are very well established links between NI loyalists and UK hard right groups.
In the event of a No deal brexit the level of anti-immigrant feeling is going to be very strong and you can expect groups like EDL to feel emboldened and create disturbances in places like Oldham, Bradford, London etc.
In Northern Ireland in the event of a no deal brexit the border between the republic and NI will become a massive issue. At the height of the troubles, with full army and special forces involvement the UK government could not control the border. It will be a massive free-for all of Human trafficking, drugs, high value produce and the criminal gangs that hide behind political ideology on both sides will be heavily involved. Inevitably a turf war will start and could escalate horribly quickly. The DUP will massively over-react to this and call for either more money, or direct policing support which would be disastrous. Even using UK border force would be controversial in the area, god forbid they ask the army!
Remember that events in NI can quickly spiral out of control. The initial British Army involvement in the 70's was to protect Irish catholic families from being fired out of their homes by loyalist mobs, but the presence of British forces on the streets created more problems.
I think this from Stephen Pound is quite telling
yes that's what I mean - Binmen hated the equal pay stuff for that reason - they used to get bonuses for finishing early...but still get paid until the end of their shift, just a mess of conflicting bonuses!
There will be no border installations. Agree though that they would be swiftly given a makeover.
Also anyone remotely suggesting, as above, that British soldiers will be manning anything is in cloud cuckoo land.
As for the neighbours comment that "hassle" includes the economic benefits of the UK supplying the republic with virtually it's entire gas and oil requirements. The trade benefits are colossal. Some elements of Ireland's agri-food sector export 90% of product to the UK. Meat, dairy, wood manufacturing exports are huge. The Irish economy is inextricably linked to the UKs.
The eu promotes horizontal economic policies, freetrade and a rules-based approach, that promotes standardisation.
You are spot on that this process strips privileges of individuals and preferentially treated sectors of the economy.
This directly undermined aspects of power that unions had, because they had strong influence over the flow of these privileges/benefits.
Depending on the country, many unions embraced this (neoliberal) approach while others seem to see this as betrayal/anti-worker policy.
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