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Feckin omnishambles
Feckin omnishambles
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Raab gone - this is the flood gates opening - expect a leadership challenge by the end of the day. No way this gets through the commons now.
Of course he's gone, he doesn't understand trade between the EU and UK so the whole document is probably gobbledygook to him.Brexit Secretary gone
Feckin omnishambles
Raab going suggests this is falling apart.
Wasn't getting through anyway but they'll quickly distance themselves from this so they can avoid blame. Career politicians with ambition of office, they're only interested in their own future.
The replies to this are so weird.
This dickhead comes in, does an atrocious job, repeatedly shows himself to be ignorant of the most basic elements of the task at hand then pisses off the moment we get to crunch time. And his fecking electorate are fawning over him! The world’s gone mad...
Rats...sinking ship.
What a shitshow..
The twitter lot were calling for chucking May out for her betrayal yesterday so anyone resigning will get their support.
Doesn't really make sense but these type of leave voters didn't vote in good sense.
Matt Hancock was doing the TV rounds this morning and his spin was this is the only deal and the options of no deal in terms of hard brexit or a second referendum are ugly. Interesting that they're once again discussing a second referendum, they're expecting it and are starting to PR their angle on it imo.
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You are so consistently reminded that when you hire clowns, you get a circus.
I'd laugh if it wasn't so fecking serious.
Surely 48 letters will be sent to the committee this week and trigger a no-confidence vote in May?
Surely 48 letters will be sent to the committee this week and trigger a no-confidence vote in May?
This is what decades long brainwashing through Murdoch media does for you. All these Brexiteers reside in the same Brain Space as the Trumpiteers do...
May is saying different things to different people.
She is telling the ERG crew, No Brexit is an option. At the same time, she's telling Labour and Tory Remainers, it's her deal or a Hard Brexit.
She is telling the ERG crew, No Brexit is an option. At the same time, she's telling Labour and Tory Remainers, it's her deal or a Hard Brexit.
I like that phrase.
There has to be another referendum.
I've had the misfortune of meeting with Raab on a few occasions in the last 12 months.
Idiocy is being kind.
Cheers. I know it's difficult to say right now but what are the odds of this happening? (Visa to travel to EU)
What a fecking shitshow that circus and Labour are.
Much higher with Raab's resignation.
How can people not see what is going on and say another referendum or at least another GE isn't needed. Another GE won't even fix this shit tbh?
To call this a shitshow is an understatement.
To call this a shitshow is an understatement.
It's like reality is starting to set in... that the choice is between a pretty bad deal, a bad deal or no deal. It's almost as if the EU aren't going to give us better terms than being a member of the EU gets you? Hard to imagine anyone predicting that.
This circus has some legs though. Even if a hard Brexiteer were to challenge and defeat May in a leadership contest... where does that leave us? There's no way we have a parliamentary majority to pass a hard Brexit either, which leaves us in this continued stalemate. A stalemate which won't be broken without either a GE or a people's vote. A GE is also unlikely to break the stalemate to be honest unless we have a massive sea-change in public opinion, so a people's vote might eventually become an inevitability as the only option to break the deadlock.
This circus has some legs though. Even if a hard Brexiteer were to challenge and defeat May in a leadership contest... where does that leave us? There's no way we have a parliamentary majority to pass a hard Brexit either, which leaves us in this continued stalemate. A stalemate which won't be broken without either a GE or a people's vote. A GE is also unlikely to break the stalemate to be honest unless we have a massive sea-change in public opinion, so a people's vote might eventually become an inevitability as the only option to break the deadlock.
May won't lose a vote of no confidence.
I couldn't have put it better, this crap starts with wonky bananas, ends with people voting for economic self-sabotage.
I honestly don't know if another referendum would solve anything - you would have the hardline brexit folk voting for it - you also would have a lot of people who now think 'let's just get on with the thing' voting for it - many of whom may have been remainers originally. It is by no means guaranteed that a vote would give a different result and it also does nothing to solve the problem of what happens to the border in Ireland if we continue with Brexit.
To non UK caftards, this is what we are dealing with.
It's not going to be a simple yes or no vote. It has to be a two stage referendum.
The £.
No you wouldn't.
As said for the past two years the EU will offer a take it or leave it deal with a transition period in exchange of the UK paying its dues. If the UK refused the deal then it will basically pave the way to the toughest and meanest of all hard Brexits.
So if the vote last night was 18-11, how many of those 11 do we think are going to jump ship today?
You have a few people in this very thread saying exactly this.
I long for the day he kicks the bucket. I don't know a single individual that has done more damage to the western world.
Imeh its the eu - get ready for some fudge on 28th March (probably to extend A50)
What people say and do though are often completely different. I take those sort of comments as more of a "I'm sick of hearing about the whole thing now". Surely more likely to not vote at all if that's the case rather than do a complete 180 in the event of a second referendum.
Most of them i recon, minimum 6.
Until the terms of cancellation are understood there's no point discussing a second referendum seriously.
Secondly, there's a high chance it will lead to a Tory-UKIP coalition and that will be almost as damaging so it's obvious why Labour won't self sabotage. A cross-party amendment thst isn't from either of the main parties is the most likely path to a referendum.
They are needed, but we are running out of time.
Not sure that's an option for the Tories any more. UKIP appear to have gone full National Front recently from bits and bobs I've heard about them.
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Your opinion on the general intelligence of the British public is vastly more optimistic than mine then. The people who wanted to leave still want to leave - they just don't like the current deal. If they are asked to vote again I would imagine most of them would still vote out.