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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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Is it just me or is it slightly confusing ticking for "No" in the poll answer rather than "Yes"?


What do you mean? Delaying Article 50 would delay us leaving and perhaps even totally prevent us leaving if it was for us to conduct a second referendum; why wouldn't they vote for what they really want?

No. Or possibly yes.

Many people will vote no to all and you can't submit a vote without selecting at least one answer.
 
What do you mean? Delaying Article 50 would delay us leaving and perhaps even totally prevent us leaving if it was for us to conduct a second referendum; why wouldn't they vote for what they really want?
Because the only reason to extend A50 is if there's going to be renegotiation of the withdrawal deal and future relationship. They might extend A50 if Britain has a second in/out referendum soon after the March deadline but why would Britain have the referendum after the withdrawal date? They're not going to extend it to get an extra few months of UK membership.
 
That poll is as confusing as brexit.
If there is another referendum it should be in the same format.

Do you agree to want to not want to leave the EU?
 
Because the only reason to extend A50 is if there's going to be renegotiation of the withdrawal deal and future relationship. They might extend A50 if Britain has a second in/out referendum soon after the March deadline but why would Britain have the referendum after the withdrawal date? They're not going to extend it to get an extra few months of UK membership.
Why wouldn't they extend it slightly if it means the sizeable possibility of Britain staying in the EU? How is that not worth doing on an effort/reward ratio?

And how on Earth could the UK call and conduct a full blown national referendum before March?
 
Why wouldn't they extend it slightly if it means the sizeable possibility of Britain staying in the EU? How is that not worth doing on an effort/reward ratio?

And how on Earth could the UK call and conduct a full blown national referendum before March?
We've had an election every year in the last 3, one a snap election that took less than 2 months from announcement to vote. I'm sure one can be arranged for February/March.
 
That poll is as confusing as brexit.
If there is another referendum it should be in the same format.

Do you agree to want to not want to leave the EU?

I'd vote possibly to that proposition.

The reason is was set that was is that many people will vote no to all and you can't submit a vote without selecting at least one answer.
 
Telegraph said:
Boris Johnson: "EU will turn us into captives if we sign up to this appalling sell-out of a deal"
Me: "Oh, get stuffed."
 
At the moment, I can't see how a GE would get through parliament unless the headbangers were confident of winning it. And it's hard to be confident about anything politically these days.
 
We've had an election every year in the last 3, one a snap election that took less than 2 months from announcement to vote. I'm sure one can be arranged for February/March.
The Electoral Commission alone say they'd need 6 months' notice even after it's all been painstakingly fought over and rubberstamped by Parliament.

Also the EU would rather we left with the agreement rather than without one. I don't think they want to roll the no deal dice.
Don't see how it makes no deal more likely. In any case that dice is already rolled and not by them.
 
Don't see how it makes no deal more likely. In any case that dice is already rolled and not by them.
If they refuse an A50 extension and the electoral commission tells parliament to get fecked, parliament will pass May's deal with ease. If they give us an extension due to an upcoming referendum there's a good chance that the country votes to leave without a deal.
 
If they refuse an A50 extension and the electoral commission tells parliament to get fecked, parliament will pass May's deal with ease. If they give us an extension due to an upcoming referendum there's a good chance that the country votes to leave without a deal.
I don't think the Electoral Commission has that power.

Why then do you think the EU keep throwing "Britain can always change its mind" bones into every political statement their leaders make? And how would that happen without a second referendum? Bare in mind they've been in constant contact with Remain parties.
 
I don't think the Electoral Commission has that power.
Exactly, if parliament tells them there's a referendum on February 25th, it's going to happen.

Why then do you think the EU keep throwing "Britain can always change its mind" bones into every political statement their leaders make?
A) It's good PR "we're not vindictive bastards. and B) they'd prefer the UK to remain because it's a big rich country.

And how would that happen without a second referendum?
It won't, but the EU is not going to risk a referendum after the withdrawal date when they know the UK parliament will accept the deal push come to shove. They'd rather the UK half-in and a road to rejoining than a full exit.
 
Why wouldn't they extend it slightly if it means the sizeable possibility of Britain staying in the EU? How is that not worth doing on an effort/reward ratio?

And how on Earth could the UK call and conduct a full blown national referendum before March?

Why wouldn't they... Probably the main reason in the European elections on may 23

I suspect many are hoping that showing that leaving the EU is not an easy exercise might make the electiond a bit harder for the anti EU parties predicted to have a bit of a surge

As for the referendum... I think there is by law a campaign period of as something like 12 weeks

Presuming Mays plan gets deleted mid December and she calls a referendum early Jan...

They then have to get a question format (expect legal challenges)

If lucky perhaps a referendum mid April... And then legistlation to implement it's result... Bang in the middle of EU election campaigning

It's not impossible but certainly one reason the EU might not be keen
 
There was another Labour MP on BBC4 this morning implying that FoM will end but that Labour would strike a deal for access to the single market.

Absolute jokers and this is supposed to be 'new politics'. Seems the same as old politics to me, bare face lying to win support.
I'm utterly fed up with politics. It's depressing that Labour are dragging themselves through the immigration gutter. What the feck can't Labour educate voters of the benefits of SM including FoM? Furthermore, he's misleading people.
Why does it have to stoop to Tory level? Feck all of them.
 
John Oliver on the series finale of Last Week Tonight used the unicorn analogy that I've been saying for nearly a year now whenever I hear people crying "but … what about democracy".

Well worth a watch if you can catch it. If not for that then just to hear the glorious Radio 5 Live interview with Rory Stewart (Min.of State) claiming that "80% of the British public support the draft proposal" then getting called on exactly where he got that figure from by the interviewer, backtracking and admitting "I'm … I'm producing a number to try to illustrate what I believe …" :lol::lol:
 
Brexit DESTROYED by some Irish guy, as the Internet is wont to say nowadays...

:lol:

That's so good.

Pretty much a polite argument of 'did you lads really think this would go any different? who the feck you do think you are?'

Even a good dose of sympathy in his voice to add insult to injury.
 
If they refuse an A50 extension and the electoral commission tells parliament to get fecked, parliament will pass May's deal with ease. If they give us an extension due to an upcoming referendum there's a good chance that the country votes to leave without a deal.

The deal on the table is great for the EU, no interference from the UK and little disruption, getting more money, it could last forever.
 
This whole Brexit tragedy/farce is the result of politicians over many years refusing to engage in an honest dialogue with the electorate. Sadly the leader of the opposition is continuing that tradition. For all her many faults, Theresa May is at least now setting out the reality of the choices facing the UK.
 
This whole Brexit tragedy/farce is the result of politicians over many years refusing to engage in an honest dialogue with the electorate. Sadly the leader of the opposition is continuing that tradition. For all her many faults, Theresa May is at least now setting out the reality of the choices facing the UK.

Totally agree, it's a shame the reality of choices were not made clear by all the politicians before June 2016. But they wouldn't have listened or believed it. Corbyn is still in fantasy land even now.
 
Totally agree, it's a shame the reality of choices were not made clear by all the politicians before June 2016. But they wouldn't have listened or believed it. Corbyn is still in fantasy land even now.

Fantasy land, or just lying through his teeth? I really can't decide.
 


He inspires absolutely 0 confidence that he's a man who can lead the country and provide a viable alternative to the Tories. I can't think of a worse indictment of him than saying I genuinely prefer Theresa May to him. Which takes some doing because frankly I'm very strongly opposed to the direction the Tories are taking the country in, with their cuts to welfare, universal credit and the under-funding of public services in general. But I still think that's preferable to being ruined by incompetence.
 
He inspires absolutely 0 confidence that he's a man who can lead the country and provide a viable alternative to the Tories. I can't think of a worse indictment of him than saying I genuinely prefer Theresa May to him. Which takes some doing because frankly I'm very strongly opposed to the direction the Tories are taking the country in, with their cuts to welfare, universal credit and the under-funding of public services in general. But I still think that's preferable to being ruined by incompetence.
Yeah sure you are mate.
 
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Which takes some doing because frankly I'm very strongly opposed to the direction the Tories are taking the country in, with their cuts to welfare, universal credit and the under-funding of public services in general. But I still think that's preferable to being ruined by incompetence.

Continued Tory policy could end up fatally undermining the NHS. Can any Labour incompetence be more risky than that?