That's exactly the sort of thing she'll be hoping to hear. Tories, putting country above party politics; Labour, self-interest first. You're walking straight into the trap.How many traitors will go?
That's exactly the sort of thing she'll be hoping to hear. Tories, putting country above party politics; Labour, self-interest first. You're walking straight into the trap.How many traitors will go?
yes, its 585 pages long and can be downloaded from the UK government website
Let me get this right, the woman who was so bad on the campaign trail that they kept locking journalists in rooms so they couldn’t ask her questions is going to go head to head on TV with Corbyn? Has she lost her fecking mind?
Corbyn is relishing a debate with May. Bet she backs out.
I don't think Labour has much to lose by allowing a free vote, most MPs seem to hate the deal.She's playing a blinder. She'll give the Tories a free vote on it next. Labour will be under pressure to reciprocate. If they stick a three line whip in they'll look as if they are acting out of self interest.
They thought that in 71. Heath forced a free vote and won by a 112 majority. This isn't the same I know. But is is kitchen sink stuff from May which tells me that if she doesn't get it through she'll resign.I don't think Labour has much to lose by allowing a free vote, most MPs seem to hate the deal.
She has a tangible deal to argue for whereas Corbyn only has a fantasy position to promote/defend. Corbyn's plan if he ends up holding the Brexit baby is too '11th hour' the EU into capitulating to his demands.
There's been something about the last day or two that's been a bit sea-changeish for May. The 'man on the street' has started to back her. A John Major on his soapbox type thing. Events are so volatile it could change again at any moment of course, but right now I think she's picking up support strongly. I'm sure the party zealots on here will disagree, but I'm no Tory, I'm just saying what I see.
Corbyn's great at doing that, when he believes in something. Less sure he could muster it up for the current triangulated brexit approach they have.But she's REALLY bad in that kind of situation. She gets flustered and uncomfortable extremely easily, and can only hold up a coherent sales pitch if she's giving a speech or answering questions in a very controlled environment where she can hedge and fall back on soundbites that aren't necessarily relevant to the question being answered. Put her in a head to head debate with an experienced debater like Corbyn and its not going to matter whether she has the stronger case, he's just going to put her on her heels and watch her come unglued.
For a TV debate it doesn't really matter who makes the better arguments, what matters is the manner they come across to the viewers. It's the reason why in the JFK-Nixon debate, radio listeners thought Nixon had won easily while TV viewers overwhelmingly thought JFK had won. With May however she couldn't even win over the radio crowd, she just can't handle this kind of arena.
Wasn't the simple solution to that to leave Northern Ireland in the SM and CU and take Britain out of it?
Theres no deal she could make that would please everyone, the DUP wouldn't be happy but when are they ever.
Labour will not allow a representative of the People’s Vote campaign to take part in any televised Brexit debate involving Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn, with the party instead pushing for a format that would allow the opposition leader to criticise the prime minister’s domestic policies.
Sources aware of Labour’s plans emphasised it would only be willing to consider a debate that pitched the two main party leaders against each other, leaving no space for an proponent of a second referendum. Labour believes this format would also allow Corbyn to get May to broaden the debate beyond Brexit and hold her to account on issues such as austerity.
Brexit should be the topic, first and last. There'll be plenty of time for other matters. The country is in a crisis. Blathering on about wage growth will not get anything resolved.https://www.theguardian.com/politic...taking-part-in-brexit-tv-debate-jeremy-corbyn
I'm so sick of this stupid cnut. Yeah Jeremy, lets have a televised debate about Brexit, not talk about one of the main options 70+% of your own party want, and talk about lots of non-Brexit related issues instead. You fecking moron.
Yes, could be, it's about how she moves forward I suppose. Not sure perceived is the right word though, temporary is arguable, but they're still real enough in themselves.I think it's just because the initial uproar has gone and she's had a few perceived victories in surviving the leadership challenge and getting the agreements passed by the EU.
They've had the benefit of planning their media campaign for a while now where as everyone else is just responding to events.
fecking Corbyn wanting to talk about people's actual lives, that were shit before Brexit came along and will be shit regardless of how Brexit plays out, as if they're actual human beings who are equal to the cnuts whose interest in politics began in June 2016 and will almost certainly end whenever this distraction goes away. Boo that man. Boo.https://www.theguardian.com/politic...taking-part-in-brexit-tv-debate-jeremy-corbyn
I'm so sick of this stupid cnut. Yeah Jeremy, lets have a televised debate about Brexit, not talk about one of the main options 70+% of your own party want, and talk about lots of non-Brexit related issues instead. You fecking moron.
Time and place. Corbyn gets to raise those issues every week at PMQ's. Right now the country faces a crisis and if it is not resolved then the lot of the people you talk about could get a whole lot worse.fecking Corbyn wanting to talk about people's actual lives, that were shit before Brexit came along and will be shit regardless of how Brexit plays out, as if they're actual human beings who are equal to the cnuts whose interest in politics began in June 2016 and will almost certainly end whenever this distraction goes away. Boo that man. Boo.
Just talk about Brexit and then we can all go back to those halcyon days of May 2016, when the only threat to vulnerable people were the same Tories now warmly welcomed at People's Vote events, 3 days after they vote to hide the Universal Credit rollout risk assessment.
He's not just walking into May's trap, he's running into it. Labour need a cleverer leader.https://www.theguardian.com/politic...taking-part-in-brexit-tv-debate-jeremy-corbyn
I'm so sick of this stupid cnut. Yeah Jeremy, lets have a televised debate about Brexit, not talk about one of the main options 70+% of your own party want, and talk about lots of non-Brexit related issues instead. You fecking moron.
Yeah, the time and place to talk about actual people's lives is definitely not whilst trying to get them to vote your way - whether it's a GE or a People's Vote. How stupid of me.Time and place. Corbyn gets to raise those issues every week at PMQ's. Right now the country faces a crisis and if it is not resolved then the lot of the people you talk about could get a whole lot worse.
fecking Corbyn wanting to talk about people's actual lives, that were shit before Brexit came along and will be shit regardless of how Brexit plays out, as if they're actual human beings who are equal to the cnuts whose interest in politics began in June 2016 and will almost certainly end whenever this distraction goes away. Boo that man. Boo.
Just talk about Brexit and then we can all go back to those halcyon days of May 2016, when the only threat to vulnerable people were the same Tories now warmly welcomed at People's Vote events, 3 days after they vote to hide the Universal Credit rollout risk assessment.
Thank goodness they've been so restricted, in their ability to do that, by the EU for the last decade.I’ve been following politics closely for over 30 years and it’s funny how many of those people whose lives were shit before never gave a single feck about politics, thought it had no impact on their lives, but then suddenly decided in July 2016 that they were the experts and that leaving the EU would change everything for the better.
Of course the fact that leaving the EU is going to hand the Torres a blank cheque to feck the poor (which is why it’s predominantly hard right Tory cnuts who have fought so hard for it) is just by the by. Or maybe you think the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg and John Redwood are deeply passionate about the troubles of sandwich factory workers in my home town?
Nah, I saw a well spoken woman on telly arguing that leaving the EU will turn us into a socialist paradise, that the EU are terrified of this and therefore will give us a great deal if only Jez can be the one negotiating. Made perfect sense.I’ve been following politics closely for over 30 years and it’s funny how many of those people whose lives were shit before never gave a single feck about politics, thought it had no impact on their lives, but then suddenly decided in July 2016 that they were the experts and that leaving the EU would change everything for the better.
Of course the fact that leaving the EU is going to hand the Torres a blank cheque to feck the poor (which is why it’s predominantly hard right Tory cnuts who have fought so hard for it) is just by the by. Or maybe you think the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg and John Redwood are deeply passionate about the troubles of sandwich factory workers in my home town?
It's as close to reality as befriending the likes of Jo Johnson, Anna Soubry, Vince Cable and Chris Leslie whilst pretending to be concerned about vulnerable people and cuts targeted at them after Brexit.Nah, I saw a well spoken woman on telly arguing that leaving the EU will turn us into a socialist paradise, that the EU are terrified of this and therefore will give us a great deal if only Jez can be the one negotiating. Made perfect sense.
So when our troops were on the beaches at Dunkirk, poverty should have been the priority in Parliament? The fact that the Nazis could follow through and invade and probably wipe out half the poor would be secondary?Yeah, the time and place to talk about actual people's lives is definitely not whilst trying to get them to vote your way - whether it's a GE or a People's Vote. How stupid of me.
Let's pretend their lives are of little consequence and that ending Brexit is far more important. I seem to remember that tactic going down extremely well at the last referendum.
So when our troops were on the beaches at Dunkirk, poverty should have been the priority in Parliament? The fact that the Nazis could follow through and invade and probably wipe out half the poor would be secondary?
What we have here is a national crisis that will cause untold damage if it is not resolved. Nobody is saying that other issues are not important only that those issues will become more acute if this bloody issue isn't sorted.
Yeah. As Prime Minister, I can't believe how little to do with the negotiations Corbyn is having.May, however delude, is at least trying to get this thing sorted. Corbyn is nothing more than a cynical opportunist.
Yeah. As Prime Minister, I can't believe how little to do with the negotiations Corbyn is having.
He can't unless he has access to the EU commission to negotiate an alternative.As leader of the opposition, if he opposes May’s deal he should set out a credible alternative. I have yet to hear it, including in his response to May today.
Have you actually bothered looking?As leader of the opposition, if he opposes May’s deal he should set out a credible alternative. I have yet to hear it, including in his response to May today.
I like how much Corbyn annoys people in this thread.
I like how much Corbyn annoys people in this thread.
He can't unless he has access to the EU commission to negotiate an alternative.
fecking Corbyn wanting to talk about people's actual lives, that were shit before Brexit came along and will be shit regardless of how Brexit plays out, as if they're actual human beings who are equal to the cnuts whose interest in politics began in June 2016 and will almost certainly end whenever this distraction goes away. Boo that man. Boo.
Just talk about Brexit and then we can all go back to those halcyon days of May 2016, when the only threat to vulnerable people were the same Tories now warmly welcomed at People's Vote events, 3 days after they vote to hide the Universal Credit rollout risk assessment.
The EU 27 have not exactly been opaque throughout this process in setting out their key positions, i.e. the four freedoms are indivisible and non-membership cannot be as beneficial as continuing membership. Are you seriously suggesting Corbyn could get a materially better deal from the EU?
Out of date I'm afraid. He might have been a better negotiator than May, or he might not, but in any event negotiations are over. He has a choice of backing the deal or no deal, unless he u-turns completely and proposes we ask the EU if we can remain, which he won't. The EU say they will negotiate no further, and I believe them.He can't unless he has access to the EU commission to negotiate an alternative.
Corbyn is relevant because he's leader of the Labour party, and given the party splits then how his members vote will determine whether we leave with the deal or without a deal. I'd say that's relevant.Especially when he's so irrelevant to the whole thing.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...taking-part-in-brexit-tv-debate-jeremy-corbyn
I'm so sick of this stupid cnut. Yeah Jeremy, lets have a televised debate about Brexit, not talk about one of the main options 70+% of your own party want, and talk about lots of non-Brexit related issues instead. You fecking moron.
Out of date I'm afraid. He might have been a better negotiator than May, or he might not, but in any event negotiations are over. He has a choice of backing the deal or no deal, unless he u-turns completely and proposes we ask the EU if we can remain, which he won't. The EU say they will negotiate no further, and I believe them.
Corbyn is relevant because he's leader of the Labour party, and given the party splits then how his members vote will determine whether we leave with the deal or without a deal. I'd say that's relevant.