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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
No it's the other way around. The Tories keep hiring them, which is why she was so keen on the BBC format in the first place.
I said more like, not exactly like.
"No deal" was indeed the default position if the government couldn't agree an interim deal (and get it through the commons).
However, if the ECJ agree with the Advocate General's advice (and they usually do), then I'd say that "no Brexit" now becomes the default position - if it looks like we are going to plunge off the cliff, we'll simply revoke A50 and cancel Brexit.
Surely that will go against the "will of the people"? Be a huge backlash if that ends up happening.
The complexities and knots tied up across all this are so fecking complex that the public have no chance.
Dominic Greaves has just tabled a motion countering a future ploy by the goverment placed in the withdrawal agreement around what happens if they're voted down. That is, when the goverment go before the house in january to say a deal can't be agreed they've snuck in that the motion can't be amended.
Constantly trying to circumvent parliament and play games.
Dominic Greaves has just tabled a motion countering a future ploy by the goverment placed in the withdrawal agreement around what happens if they're voted down. That is, when the goverment go before the house in january to say a deal can't be agreed they've snuck in that the motion can't be amended.
Constantly trying to circumvent parliament and play games.
And my point above is directly in relation to this issue. The goverment doesn't want that default amendable but it's very likely they'll now vote to ensure it is
But May's deal is much more like being in the EU than EEA, unless the magical solution to NI suddenly appears.
Theresa Villiers MP wants May to go back to Brussels and hopes for Brussels to be "reasonable".
These people are beyond helping.
These people are beyond helping.
This has been 90% May giving away to those who her support her so far. Scurtiny indeed
I suppose if we go back with we are gonna revoke A50 then vote in a bunch of ukippers in the EU election they might decide they would rather devise a different backstop exit mechanism if it guaranteed getting rid of us once and for all?
Even if the UK is found capable of unilaterally revoking A50 (which i'd personally very much prefer) I can't see it happening practically within 100 days. I think it would need a new government with a new parliament for that to happen, and it's too late for that. Then again I've been wrong about May and her government, so who knows.
I just think it's grotesque for a member of the British parliament to suggest that the EU's position is anything other than reasonable at this point. We've been through this shxt for 3 years now, even brexiteers are fed up with brexit, to think coming back to Brussels one more time would change anything is borderline delusional.
The British people deserve better people to represent them.
This. Whilst I’d love us to stay and cancel brexit - I could see riots. Shouldn’t stop the cancellation of course, just saying.
Back in the debate May says the backstop is not a trick to keep the UK in the EU. It is something that gives the UK some benefits of EU membership without the obligations. The EU won’t want it to continue for long if it is implemented, May says.
Without the obligations? You don't know what you're doing.
She is just openly lying now, she's lied before but now doesn't even bother hiding it.
Without the obligations? You don't know what you're doing.
She is just openly lying now, she's lied before but now doesn't even bother hiding it.
Unfit to lead, lost all backing & support, no direction for the future, blaming everyone else for the current failures, clinging on to power due to narcissism & ego.
But enough about José. When will May resign?!
But enough about José. When will May resign?!
It's infuriating as she's not even allowed to be called out on it in the house. Cameron stuck to script but May takes it one step further beyond diversion
There's going to be a backlash regardless, whatever happens...
May reads her lines from the page well enough but she falls off a cliff with her hands tied behind her back whenever someone asks her a question.
Vicky Ford, what a bellend.
Vicky Ford, what a bellend.
No-one seems to be challenged by anything they say in this whole Brexit farce, but this has been the same since the referendum.
We are in a post truth society - you can say what you want.
I hate her. She fluked her way to Number 10 and now forcing this crap on us.
Boris sticking the knife in and giving it a good old twist.
It's almost impossible to be more incompetent than May but Corbyn seems to have no trouble.
It would only be natural to hold a second and final referendum once all the cards are on the table, since the initial referendum didn't specify what kind of Brexit people would get and it was decided by the smallest of majorities anyway. If no deal Brexit is indeed the will of the people then they will simply vote for it a second time.
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But for some reason, this would apparently undermine democracy.
fecking hell Corbyn. Just look at the massive majority Remain has in all these polls on the subject of Brexit or even if people want a second referendum.
We're still into polls, right? That whole 'Labour would be 20 points ahead if they came out as against Brexit/if Yvette Cooper was leader' shit still applies?
That's not the point, there is no better deal to be had and Corbyn is going to make the EU do what exactly?
So Corbyn goes 'this deal sucks, feck whatever Starmer has been talking to the EU about for the last two years, lets remain', the Tories all resign and insist they're replaced by their local Labour candidate and we can forget the whole thing and really hope nobody takes advantage of the voting public being ignored when it comes to the next elections?
This could be critical.
No the genie's out of the bottle and can't be put back in but whatever Corbyn's tactics are or were, they aren't working. If Labour vote the deal down and it ends up as a no deal, guess who's getting a lot of the blame for doing nothing for three years . Him and his six tests , only remain passes the tests.
I think you guys should cut it short.....
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The Tories who called the referendum and have since voted for it every step of the wa...
Oh no wait, Corbyn. I forgot for a second that a referendum dreamt up by Cameron to try and calm a fight within the Conservative party was Jeremy Corbyn's fault, my bad. He did after all only rate the EU 7/10 on The Last Leg.
Given today's events, I'd love to see what Corbyn's tactics working looks like if this isn't it.
They were though. I remember a BBC journalist interviewing him on the bus during the campaign saying he was lying about about what we send to the EU because of the rebate. They ended up arguing like children with Johnson continuing to deny he was lying as the journalist repeated the accusation at him.
As has been said before, we live in a post truth society where people believe what they want to regardless of the merits of the argument.
Three years come next April if the Uk leave without a deal, he said very little leading up to the referendum and very little since. It will be four years since Cameron tried to kill off UKIP.
So given today's events, what happens next, if the deal is voted down (which is not actually a deal but what the EU are prepared to offer which has been known since day one) either the UK revoke Article 50 and remain or it's no deal.
Which one does Corbyn want - he says he wants to respect the referendum result thus he wants no deal.
Has anyone asked a question as simple as;
“Do you believe that more than 50% of the country currently wants to leave the EU”...?
It’s 100% anecdotal but two things are true;
1. Nobody I’ve spoken to that voted Remain, wants to now leave.
2. Many people that I’ve spoken To that voted leave, now want to remain.
The government is an absolute joke.
I’d take Trump over May or Corbyn
“Do you believe that more than 50% of the country currently wants to leave the EU”...?
It’s 100% anecdotal but two things are true;
1. Nobody I’ve spoken to that voted Remain, wants to now leave.
2. Many people that I’ve spoken To that voted leave, now want to remain.
The government is an absolute joke.
I’d take Trump over May or Corbyn
I wasn't talking about Johnson but in general hardly anyone is challenged by what they say. Very little is challenged even in parliament.