Wow. What a speech
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Wow. What a speech
They're a tiny part of that bloc though, and that bloc doesn't always necessarily work in their interests so it isn't as if they actually wield that much power as an individual entity.
The UK will still wield far more power than the likes of Latvia in pretty much every sense, no country is suddenly going to take Latvia more seriously.
Churchill valued having a strong, united Europe as a buffer against the USSR but he never actually wanted us to be a part of that Europe, writing that 'We are with Europe, but not of it'.
This.
It's funny, I've seen memes with his face and quotes used by both sides of the Brexit debate.
As you say, he was a proponent of European unity in order to counter the new threat from the east, but where Britain was concerned he was always a nationalist and said explicitly that Britain wasn't a natural part of a united Europe.
Gotta love David Lammy
Not in a trade negotiation, it isn't. Latvia has the whole of the EU negotiating for it and gives access to the whole EU, the Uk will be alone and gives access to only itself. Latvia has experienced EU negotiators, the UK have inexperienced negotiators who apparently are not very good.
So she just described the UK as an abusive partner who would go to the Xmas party and spike the drinks.... Charming...
Yup, that was a bit much. But, it shows that the other countries who have similar deals to the Norway might not welcome them into that arrangement.
That's not all there is to power though. Just because they have some supposedly better negotiators in trade deals doesn't make them more powerful/influential than the UK.
It doesn't really matter though, I get the point you were trying to make and you're absolutely right that leaving the EU would make the UK significantly less influential. Being a key member of one of the worlds biggest trading blocs naturally gives us more influence, it's a no brainer.
Not that how Churchill viewed a United Europe is even relevant to our current situation. He faced completely different threats and issues to the current nation, and also led a completely different country .. we've changed massively since his day.
It's like taking Horatio Nelson's views on France with any seriousness in 2018. But I guess if you name drop one of our greatest historical figures it lends weight to your argument or something.
I wouldn’t bother with him, just seems to think no country can function with out the EU membership. Suddenly the EU controls everything that happens in Europe, it’s quite funny how some people think this.
It's like the Churchill quote, we're no longer living in the 1940s and 1950s , the world has changed and the UK seem to want to go backwards hoping to regain their past glories. The Uk is a major nation in the world but are in the process of diminishing their importance.
That being said, I like Lammy and it's a very good speech.
He's also one of those rare British politicians who actually seems to give a feck about the lives of actual people, rather than just having vague ideas about the economy, immigration or whatever. Most politicians you get the feeling see people as statistics they can use in debates, but Lammy actually views 'the people' as individuals. He's very likeable.
He's also one of those rare British politicians who actually seems to give a feck about the lives of actual people, rather than just having vague ideas about the economy, immigration or whatever. Most politicians you get the feeling see people as statistics they can use in debates, but Lammy actually views 'the people' as individuals. He's very likeable.
Good luck with being in isolation.
Even in Churchill's day our importance was diminishing by the day, we were basically a sideshow of the US/USSR negotiations and it was becoming more and more obvious we couldn't actually manage our Empire any longer.
I think we're a tremendous nation with an incredible history, but the fact is that whilst we punch well above our weight we're pretty small in the grand scheme of things, certainly compared to the likes of China, the US or India. They just have access to far larger pools of labour/resources than we do, and it's not like we can go colonising anymore to fix that!
Indeed, the challenges and threats were completely different - and not forgetting of course that in Churchill's time Britain's imperial influence was much stronger. I agree that our power was waining with the rise of the US and Russia, and it may have been near the sunset for the British Empire but our global influence was still much stronger than it is now. In some senses, Britain didn't need to be part of a more unified Europe at that time.
In matters where the EU negotiate as a whole, Latvia is more powerful than us
Priti Patel is a monster, to threaten to starve a people to try and get her way is appalling. No wonder she was so comfortable in the company of Benyamin Netenyahu.
Better unicorns?
But if I were Norwegian I'd think exactly the same. We are an arrogant bunch who don't seem to quite believe that we no longer have an empire and hate that Johnny Foreigner no longer dances to our beat.
Ironically, some countries think the EU have been generous with the UK and could actually demand more from the UK should they try to renegotiate but of course the UK thinks it's all one way traffic and have forgotten that it is they who want to leave and not the EU chucking them out.
The worst timeline continues
*cries* *laughs* *cries again*:
Johnson, McVey and Raab each hint at Tory leadership ambitions ~
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...y-to-stay-if-she-cant-renegotiate-brexit-deal
Johnson, McVey and Raab each hint at Tory leadership ambitions ~
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...y-to-stay-if-she-cant-renegotiate-brexit-deal
It is a perfectly valid viewpoint. Everytime I hear a pro-brexit politician speak I cringe because of the arrogance and complete lack of insight into how the UK is viewed outside of the UK. The 'EU needs us more than them, Rule Britannia, Churchill, etc.' bollocks. It really is pathetic.
Kind of scary.
First turned the FO into a joke and people who worked for him say he is stupid. Second oversaw the Universal Credit disaster and the third resigned over a deal he oversaw.
This country is fecked.
An alliance of chancers.
Oh god and Hunt, Javid and Davis also in the running. I need to accelerate my plans to escape to either Munich or Singapore.
I'd even prefer Mourinho to that lot.
Started the process of Skilled Migrant Express Entry to Canada last week. At least to give me options. My job is far from safe and my bank hasn't given reassurances there won't be cuts.
Kind of sad when the ink isn't even dry on my UK passport.
So any predictions for this week?
Personally I think...
They don't delay the vote
The speaker does not allow the amendment that blocks no deal to be one of the limited number of amendments
May looses the vote by around 80 to a hundred votes
She is told to jog on by the EU... No further consessions
There is a confidence motion by the labour party (she will survive)
There will be a challenge to her party leadership (she will survive)
Personally I think...
They don't delay the vote
The speaker does not allow the amendment that blocks no deal to be one of the limited number of amendments
May looses the vote by around 80 to a hundred votes
She is told to jog on by the EU... No further consessions
There is a confidence motion by the labour party (she will survive)
There will be a challenge to her party leadership (she will survive)
"I have won Premier League title than all the other Conservative leaders together"
*Sticks 3 fingers up to Labour backbenches
Can you get a job in Canada with your current employer? We're lucky my wife's has overseas offices, plus she earns way more than me, so more important that she has a job.
You have done well.
Who watched the debate on Chanel 4?
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