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redman5 said:
David Icke made a great point recently regarding the direction of the Labour party over the past 10-15 years. He says that the Labour Party was formed to protect the urban, working-class, people from the 'elite'. But people like Blair, & dare I say it, Corbyn, are now becoming the elite. There isn't that much democracy anymore here in the western world. We basically have 2 choices, with neither of them really offering anything that remotely resembles a brighter future. I shudder to think what the years ahead will hold for my children & my grandchildren if the EU's plans for a superstate come to fruition. We have very little say in what happens now regarding our country's affairs. It's little wonder that people are looking to the extreme choices in order for their voices to be heard.
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This David Icke?

"At the heart of Icke's theories lies the idea that the universe is made up of "vibrational" energy, and consists of an infinite number of dimensions that share the same space. He believes that an inter-dimensional race of reptilian beings called the Archons (or Anunnaki), have hijacked the Earth, and that a genetically modified human/Archon hybrid race of shape-shifting reptilians, also known as the "Babylonian Brotherhood", the Illuminati, or the 'elite', manipulate global events to keep humans in a constant state of fear, so the Archons can feed off the 'negative energy' this creates. He claims many prominent figures belong to the Babylonian Brotherhood, and are propelling humanity towards an Orwellian global fascist state, or New World Order; a post-truth era where freedom of speech is ended. Icke believes that the only way this 'Archontic' influence can be defeated is by humanity waking up to 'the truth', and filling their hearts with love. Critics have accused Icke of being a Holocaust denier and his "reptilians" and other theories of being antisemitic, claims he denies."
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Not really sure how you can call Corbyn "elite", misguided and ineffective perhaps but "elite" seems like a square peg in round hole.

Surely you should be Corbyn's biggest fan since he is trying to protect your grandchildren from the super duper scary EU superstate. I mean if that's your biggest fear for them then frankly they're quite lucky!
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That's the thing with Corbyn though. I've listened to his strong anti-EU rhetoric for many years, but now we're on the cusp of exiting the union he's gone very shy about the whole thing. My personal feelings is that he's like a lot of senior politicians nowdays. More interested in the power of the role than the power to make changes for the people of the UK.
 
redman5 said:
That's the thing with Corbyn though. I've listened to his strong anti-EU rhetoric for many years, but now we're on the cusp of exiting the union he's gone very shy about the whole thing. My personal feelings is that he's like a lot of senior politicians nowdays. More interested in the power of the role than the power to make changes for the people of the UK.
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He's shy about it because most of his followers and constituents are generally quite keen on remaining. He also seems to be the type of politician who can lose power on the cusp of grabbing it.

Both factors don't really scream "elite" to me.
 
2cents said:
This David Icke?

"At the heart of Icke's theories lies the idea that the universe is made up of "vibrational" energy, and consists of an infinite number of dimensions that share the same space. He believes that an inter-dimensional race of reptilian beings called the Archons (or Anunnaki), have hijacked the Earth, and that a genetically modified human/Archon hybrid race of shape-shifting reptilians, also known as the "Babylonian Brotherhood", the Illuminati, or the 'elite', manipulate global events to keep humans in a constant state of fear, so the Archons can feed off the 'negative energy' this creates. He claims many prominent figures belong to the Babylonian Brotherhood, and are propelling humanity towards an Orwellian global fascist state, or New World Order; a post-truth era where freedom of speech is ended. Icke believes that the only way this 'Archontic' influence can be defeated is by humanity waking up to 'the truth', and filling their hearts with love. Critics have accused Icke of being a Holocaust denier and his "reptilians" and other theories of being antisemitic, claims he denies."
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So what about his theory relating to my post regarding his comments on the EU. Did you miss that ?
 
redman5 said:
David Icke made a great point recently regarding the direction of the Labour party over the past 10-15 years. He says that the Labour Party was formed to protect the urban, working-class, people from the 'elite'. But people like Blair, & dare I say it, Corbyn, are now becoming the elite. There isn't that much democracy anymore here in the western world. We basically have 2 choices, with neither of them really offering anything that remotely resembles a brighter future. I shudder to think what the years ahead will hold for my children & my grandchildren if the EU's plans for a superstate come to fruition. We have very little say in what happens now regarding our country's affairs. It's little wonder that people are looking to the extreme choices in order for their voices to be heard.
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Wow David Icke said that?
 
Pexbo said:
Wow David Icke said that?
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Not all of it, but certainly the bit relating to Tony Blair & the Labour Party. The rest is just my opinion based on what I've read & witnessed over the years. Here's the clip of David Icke. So whilst I don't go along with all his stuff about reptilians living amongst us etc, he does make some thought-provoking comments about things that are probably easier to digest & take seriously.

 
2cents said:
This David Icke?

"At the heart of Icke's theories lies the idea that the universe is made up of "vibrational" energy, and consists of an infinite number of dimensions that share the same space. He believes that an inter-dimensional race of reptilian beings called the Archons (or Anunnaki), have hijacked the Earth, and that a genetically modified human/Archon hybrid race of shape-shifting reptilians, also known as the "Babylonian Brotherhood", the Illuminati, or the 'elite', manipulate global events to keep humans in a constant state of fear, so the Archons can feed off the 'negative energy' this creates. He claims many prominent figures belong to the Babylonian Brotherhood, and are propelling humanity towards an Orwellian global fascist state, or New World Order; a post-truth era where freedom of speech is ended. Icke believes that the only way this 'Archontic' influence can be defeated is by humanity waking up to 'the truth', and filling their hearts with love. Critics have accused Icke of being a Holocaust denier and his "reptilians" and other theories of being antisemitic, claims he denies."
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Does he reject flat earth though?
 
redman5 said:
Not all of it, but certainly the bit relating to Tony Blair & the Labour Party. The rest is just my opinion based on what I've read & witnessed over the years. Here's the clip of David Icke. So whilst I don't go along with all his stuff about reptilians living amongst us etc, he does make some thought-provoking comments about things that are probably easier to digest & take seriously.

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Thanks for taking the time to share, I’ll definitely watch this and take it seriously.
 
Guardian said:
May's decision to stay on is one based on her own self-interest and that of her party rather than the country. The prime minister is now a diminished figure, with her authority draining away on the most important issue facing Britain. It is galling to hear her claim that the 2016 referendum vote was a cry for help from left-behind Britain when it was Tory austerity that hollowed out deprived regions.
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Jippy said:
Does he reject flat earth though?
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I think this youtube comment sums up the difficulties he faces in that field:

"David icke is intelligent enough to realize the Earth is flat. The problem is that flat Earth challenges his narritive and past theories, like the hollow Moon, Aliens from distant planets, planet Saturn and the Saturn-Moon matrix, etc. If he agreed that the Earth is flat, he must rewrite a lot of his own material, because a lot of it would be contradicting."

 
redman5 said:
So what about his theory relating to my post regarding his comments on the EU. Did you miss that ?
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Sorry, but you can't directly reference a quote by David "Literal Lizard People Rule the World" Icke and not expect people to immediately disregard whatever it is he had to say. He's simply not a reliable source on... well, anything. And certainly not on political science. You're obviously free to make the point yourself, but it should be blindingly obvious that including David Icke as some source of authority on the matter isn't going to help your argument. If anything it seriously calls into question your critical thinking ability.

Honestly, I'm just surprised that Striker10 isn't the first person to bring up David Icke in the CE.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
My problem with him is not his party or politics, it's my opinion of him as a leader. He also always seems to be reading speeches, badly, nothing off the cuff.
What if Labour were currently in power, they'd be having even more ridiculous negotiations with the EU negotiating for more impossible targets.

The Tories are at their weakest at this moment with the most terrible leader since the war and he still can't look good.

One can see the UK heading for a No deal and someone's going to have to pick up the pieces. Is this the job Corbyn wants?
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Being a good speaker is what gets you a shit leader in the end. Blair, Cameroon, Rutte, Macron, Tsipras and perhaps Obama. Blair part 1 was good thou.
 
redman5 said:
David Icke made a great point recently regarding the direction of the Labour party over the past 10-15 years. He says that the Labour Party was formed to protect the urban, working-class, people from the 'elite'. But people like Blair, & dare I say it, Corbyn, are now becoming the elite. There isn't that much democracy anymore here in the western world. We basically have 2 choices, with neither of them really offering anything that remotely resembles a brighter future. I shudder to think what the years ahead will hold for my children & my grandchildren if the EU's plans for a superstate come to fruition. We have very little say in what happens now regarding our country's affairs. It's little wonder that people are looking to the extreme choices in order for their voices to be heard.
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Even a stopped watch is accidentally correct twice a day.
 
I'm really surprised that the backstop is such a big issue for people that live on the island of Britain. Maybe they want to see a return to way things were before the GFA? The backstop is really a vote on the GFA, either we keep it, or we go back to how things were before. I know which future I'd prefer to see.
 
Smores said:
DUP said they'll support a censor motion against May but I'm assuming that almost means they won't support a no confidence vote.

Emergency debate been granted for tomorrow.
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The DUP are loving their moment in the sun... they want this shambles to continue because if it ends they might have to go back to NI and reinstate the NI Assembly and share power with "Tagdhs" and the "Paps". They definitely don't want that!
 
Green_Red said:
I'm really surprised that the backstop is such a big issue for people that live on the island of Britain. Maybe they want to see a return to way things were before the GFA? The backstop is really a vote on the GFA, either we keep it, or we go back to how things were before. I know which future I'd prefer to see.
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I hate how flippant they are with it.
Ireland gave up their claim to NI for the GFA to pass and it looks as if it'll he taken away by the whim of Brexiteers.
Tossed aside as if it never mattered In the first place.
 
2cents said:
I think this youtube comment sums up the difficulties he faces in that field:

"David icke is intelligent enough to realize the Earth is flat. The problem is that flat Earth challenges his narritive and past theories, like the hollow Moon, Aliens from distant planets, planet Saturn and the Saturn-Moon matrix, etc. If he agreed that the Earth is flat, he must rewrite a lot of his own material, because a lot of it would be contradicting."

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Jesus I was being flippant. Imagine if flat earth theory genuinely challenged your belief system.

EDIT: Damn I can't silent edit in the CE.
 
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cyberman said:
I hate how flippant they are with it.
Ireland gave up their claim to NI for the GFA to pass and it looks as if it'll he taken away by the whim of Brexiteers.
Tossed aside as if it never mattered In the first place.
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Its a consequence of leaving the eu not a reason for leaving.
 
Stanley Road said:
Its a consequence of leaving the eu not a reason for leaving.
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Its entirely avoidable though. DUP being used to prop up a dying government thus somehow being able to veto any deal for NI wasn't part of the vote.
The people over here want the deal that was brought forward and their voice is being ignored by this nonsense in London.
The DUP being in this position itself is in violation of the GFA
 
Stanley Road said:
Its a consequence of leaving the eu not a reason for leaving.
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It didn't have to be though, even before the EU referendum was held everyone involved should have made sure whatever the outcome of the vote that the Good Friday Agreement and the peace in Ireland was safe. But it looks like Ireland was never more than an after thought until they realized it was a big problem.

So now we're facing the possibility of one referendum vote destroying an agreement that was put in place by two other referendums if the UK leaves with no deal. The will of the people indeed, just not the people who are being ignored.
 
cyberman said:
Its entirely avoidable though. DUP being used to prop up a dying government thus somehow being able to veto any deal for NI wasn't part of the vote.
The people over here want the deal that was brought forward and their voice is being ignored by this nonsense in London.
The DUP being in this position itself is in violation of the GFA
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I agree, it was an in out vote though
 
stevoc said:
It didn't have to be though, even before the EU referendum was held everyone involved should have made sure whatever the outcome of the vote that the Good Friday Agreement and the peace in Ireland was safe. But it looks like Ireland was never more than an after thought until they realized it was a big problem.

So now we're facing the possibility of one referendum vote destroying an agreement that was put in place by two other referendums if the UK leaves with no deal. The will of the people indeed, just not the people who are being ignored.
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Yes. I personally think the gfa should be above any wto agreement whatsoever, it is being used as a political tool by the eu imho opinion and thats just wrong. Trade and beurocracy over peace. Fkin smart that is.
 
Scenes in parliament. The MP grabbing the Mace, Skinner invoking Thatcher and Theresa May discussing premature ejaculation. What a time to be alive.

 
Must say from an outside the UK perspective, this is all fascinating. I'm rooting for No-deal, genuinely intrigued to see what that would look like.
 
Stanley Road said:
Yes. I personally think the gfa should be above any wto agreement whatsoever, it is being used as a political tool by the eu imho opinion and thats just wrong. Trade and beurocracy over peace. Fkin smart that is.
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Maybe mate i don't know for sure, personally i think the EU are just trying to protect Irelands interests. There is lunatic fringe in the Tory party who would rip the GFA up without batting an eyelid.
 
17 Van der Gouw said:
Scenes in parliament. The MP grabbing the Mace, Skinner invoking Thatcher and Theresa May discussing premature ejaculation. What a time to be alive.

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I fecking despise the whole set up and every cnut in there every time I see bullshit like this. How we've ever ran a country like that I don't know.

Maybe she should've addressed the point instead of sending everyone into what must be the most ridiculous sounding hysterics ever, or at least since the last time they were in there laughing and joking about running the country into the ground.
 
Stanley Road said:
It doesnt matter how many partys there are, people will still vote a tory govt in cos they are thick. Then they can blame their stupidity in there not being any opposition, bit like now .
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People vote for parties for usually the same reason - they vote for the party that they think represents them or offers what they see as benefits to themselves. To call people thick because they think differently from you is not only arrogant but it is also ignorant.
 
cyberman said:
Its entirely avoidable though. DUP being used to prop up a dying government thus somehow being able to veto any deal for NI wasn't part of the vote.
The people over here want the deal that was brought forward and their voice is being ignored by this nonsense in London.
The DUP being in this position itself is in violation of the GFA
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The DUP opposed the GFA and would be only to happy to throw it under a bus despite the vast majority of normal people here voting to remain in the EU and voting for the GFA in the first place. They have never represented the views of the normal people of Northern Ireland.
 
Stanley Road said:
Yes. I personally think the gfa should be above any wto agreement whatsoever, it is being used as a political tool by the eu imho opinion and thats just wrong. Trade and beurocracy over peace. Fkin smart that is.
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Pray tell then how you propose to solve the issues around the only land border between the UK and the EU.
 
balaks said:
People vote for parties for usually the same reason - they vote for the party that they think represents them or offers what they see as benefits to themselves. To call people thick because they think differently from you is not only arrogant but it is also ignorant.
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There's a large base of Tory voters who are voting against their own interests time and time again and then proceed to moan about the state of affairs. I don't think it's arrogant to question these people's intelligence.

Another fun day of brexit nonsense....
 
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