Yeah believing financial experts and business leaders is such a silly thing to.
Of coarse it's bloody scare mongering.
And even if it wasn't, no one here has a clue what will actually happen.
This thread is so funny at times.
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There isn't one. Withdrawing article 50 is the only way to keep what we've got. Anything else is worse.
That's just wrong. The EU is bound by law and will follow it. There are laws governing trade and interaction with third countries, it is very easy to predict how the EU will respond to the UK becoming one.
Only those that hope for special treatment can possibly think otherwise, they're going to be disappointed.
Why would they? It'd be a mild inconvenience for them to have to deal with our economic struggles but they'd be fine whereas we'd have opted for an extraordinary act of self-sabotage. They aren't - and never were - going to change the way they do things for one member state who'd probably continue moaning anyway.
The proposals suggested at the time and before now though were always unrealistic and unworkable. This was known because people said they were unknowable and unworkable. Any political ideal/decision can sound good if you want to try and do things that can't be achieved.
They can of course talk to the public to promote whatever vision they want but for an actual alternative to the withdrawal agreement to be proposed and put before the house May first needs to bring it before parliament. You call it sniping but that's opposition, only the government can govern.
Labour have asked to be involved in the negotiations from the off but let's not forget they've only had sideline conversations so anything from them is hypothetical. They have no negotiated agreement to bring forth.
I agree they've been poor, vague and disingenuous but at the same time people are expecting things not in their scope
Probably not. I only pop in now and again. Most people here are institutionalised and can't imagine a world without the EU.
Yeah it's so silly it kept from joining the euro. How stupid of us.
The EU makes it's own laws. A free trade deal is a mutual beneficial arrangement. Ask BMW.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36341530
https://www.theguardian.com/business/economics-blog/2013/jun/02/britain-euro-what-if-joined
Might you consider for a moment that you're ... wrong?
In general, like.
You'll be wishing you had by the end of all this.
You realise that the offer May has is only a stay of execution. The backstop keeps the UK from falling off the cliff. If the UK ever found a solution to the backstop the rope is cut and off the cliff the UK goes.
I remember it well, that's why the EU is such a great idea.
Yeah it'd be a mild inconvenience to have to go without £38 Bil, and expect the member states to be struck with tariffs in a trade relationship.
So why doesn't the EU want us to be a friendly neighbour with a free trade relationship that's mutually beneficial?
You've still got to pay what you owe, with or without a deal. You realise the UK budget alone is over £900bn per year. £38bn split between 27 nations over many years is peanuts.
What do you want me to ask BMW? The Quandts have enough money, they can live with earning a bit less on the BMW's they sell in the UK (loads of which are made in the US anyways! Let Trump deal with that). BMW doesn't even dictate CSU politics, never mind German or European politics
.Obviously the EU makes it's own laws... How exactly does that make it's reaction to no deal any less predictable!?
Were you around when everyone was talking about the supposed benefits of joining the single currency?
If only they had 27 other member states to source from, or a number of FTAs with countries like Japan. Meanwhile we're stuck with WTO tarriffs on everything we import.
That's before we mention the impact on our exports of tariffs and non-tarriff barriers such as non-recognition of standards.
The economy would collapse instantly.
If it's not such a big deal, it wouldn't have been first up on the negotiation agenda.
The EU operate on four fundamental freedoms. We're wanting to pick and choose which ones we comply with. They've said we can't do that, because the whole point of being in the EU is that it gives you access to them. If you can't leave and pick and choose what you want then there's no point to the EU.
It'd be an inconvenience but they'd cope, and they know it won't happen anyway because we aren't going to opt for utter self-sabotage. Not to mention that the inconvenience would partially be offset by the businesses in Britain who up-sticks and go elsewhere in Europe.
Trade arrangements can be negotiated quickly. No one has ever said that "no deal" wouldn't present problems.
Nope, that doesn't work
How long did the FTA with Japan take?
If it's a few weeks then surely the contents of the backstop don't matter right?
Because the Uk has to abide by the rules.
Just imagine if the UK didn't pay what was due, nobody would trust them, I don't imagine May wouldn't pay. However if IDS or JRM were in charge I wouldn't be so sure .
There is no point to the EU except the original concept of trading partners (EEC). That's why we voted to leave
If the UK don't police the border any person can fly to Ireland and cross into the UK, wasn't the point of Brexit to take back control of our borders?
I voted in 1975 and that wasn't why I voted.
You do know tarrifs are ultimately payed by yourself, the consumer?
They do, but we don't want to follow their rules of good neighbourly conduct.
Look, a lot of these things you're saying are the same things you bring up all the time, and they are from a perspective that sides 100% with the EU and it's agenda.
It's like the EU is the ultimate wisdom in the universe to you guys. What they say is bible to you. There's nothing anyone can say to you if you are unable to imagine a world without the EU.
Do you see our country as weak and pitiful and unable to survive without EU membership?
It's like the EU is the ultimate wisdom in the universe to you guys. What they say is bible to you. There's nothing anyone can say to you if you are unable to imagine a world without the EU.
Do you see our country as weak and pitiful and unable to survive without EU membership?
No? Ok answer this one: How many trained, experienced international trade negotiators do we have in the UK?
We are much weaker without EU membership. That's a fact.
If the UK was in a different geographical position it would no doubt be in a similar alliance in that part of the world.
Where it is situated, which Raab has just discovered, means that it is significantly reliant on its close relationship with the other countries in the EU. It's not the tariffs that's going to kill the economy, it's the seamless transactions that flow between its close neighbours that are the most important. The UK are putting massive hurdles and I fail to see how it can possibly cope with these hurdles. And before you say it, a FTA is not going to solve that.
No. I think we can survive fine if the right provisions are in place. Quite evidently though a hard Brexit would be somewhat disastrous because we'd be starting from scratch in negotiating trading arrangements and would be crashing out without the right infrastructure to replace what we're going to be giving up and losing by leaving. That's nothing to do with being weak and pitiable - that's just what happens if you leave an organisation and don't prepare at all for life afterwards.
Yes...and the four freedoms were ratified in the Treaty of Rome.
We'll survive, but we won't thrive
Wait... I thought we made our own laws? Surely that's a point too...
It's seriously challenging to take posts like these at face value. I'd assume you're trolling if there wasn't serious politicians on the telly coming up with the same nonsense.
Listen to them.