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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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sun_tzu said:
Gut feeling.... But how about may to call (another) snap general election

This would almost certainly force labour to have in their manifesto a 2nd referendum as its the overwhelming preference of the membership... But could cost them a fair few seats

But might give may a working majority to get her deal through?

She seems to be running out of other options so perhaps a last roll of the dice?
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Would also force the ERG loons to campaign on whatever is in the Tory mandate. Would the country just be pissed off at another ge and protest vote though?
 
maniak said:
I am not 100% sure about the following, so take it with a pinch of salt. We have a thing called a golden visa for non-EU citizens, where basically you can enter and stay in the country as if you were a EU citizen.

To be eligible for one of these golden visas you must either:

- own property worth at least 500k euros
- have at least 1 million euros invested in the country
- create a certain number of local jobs~

These numbers may have changed because the law was updated and I remember reading that if you invested a certain amount in renovations or improvements in the property, the value drops to 350k euros.

Anyway, as I said you probably would have to get more accurate information but these special visas are a thing and maybe you qualify.
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Thanks for reply. I knew about golden visa (Madonna did it last year) but I'm not eligible or can afford one.
 
Smores said:
I don't think it's that unlikely, she's basically been campaigning for weeks now.

It's also the only chance of getting a referendum in my opinion. I don't think they'll be the votes in parlaiment for a referendum with so many Labour rebels but as you say with a GE the membership will demand it and as it's a new mandate it leaves MPs able to justify their ref vote.

My preference would be a Cooper led Labour GE but retaining the direction of the party. I think the electoral math doesn't work in Labours favour but you have to hope the remain Tories will abandon partisanship unlike their MPs.
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Seeing Cooper at PMQs would be great fun. She would skewer May.
 
RochaRoja said:
Most British people are either unaware or underestimate the crimes of the British Empire. British culture in general tries to sell this white washed myth of the empire that was an unambiguous force for good.
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During my schooling (I'm mid 50s) the crimes of Empire were simply not taught but then neither was it portrayed as unambiguously good. These days however I think there is widespread recognition of the harm that came from Empire and for some this is difficult to swallow. Most countries view their own history through a particularly subjective lens and the UK is no different in that respect. In fact it is this post colonial power coming to terms with it's past and forging an identity for the modern world that plays a huge part in the political struggle we're witnessing. The country has seen a rapid and massive loss of Empire with the influence and power that came with it, a speed of deindustrialisation not seen elsewhere and enormous wide scale immigration. It's very identity has been fragmented and the fight now is over the new one being forged.

I keep saying it but these are fascinating times for the UK. It's almost like a rebirth.
 
Wibble said:
This is lining up to be the worst thing to happen to Britain in living memory. It is already a disaster that is costing us jobs.
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Totally agree my friend and it still get much worse.

Like you I am very concerned about the increasing threat of job losses.
I have to say that that was the prime reason I voted to remain.
This country was just coming out of the Global financial crisis recession and the very last thing we needed was all this.

It could set our economy well back into recession.
 
Hammerfell said:
This sort of snarky comment is part of the problem I have with Leave voters. No solutions, just an incredibly naive and/or arrogant opinion of "oh we'll be fine, get on with it".

Utterly useless drivel.
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My apology. I was hoping to lighten up what is an increasingly depressing debate.
I voted leave by the way.
 
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Its been obvious for a long time hasn't it that its not going to work.
 
The UK has been stuffed since 2016 when May became Prime Minister. The second she was appointed Brexit as per the 2016 referendum was dead.

I'm actually quite enjoying all the squirming around UK politicians are doing now trying to avoid the inevitable.

Once all the half way house options which are worse than just remaining, and would be rejected by the EU anyway are ruled out. It will come down to no brexit or leaving on WTO. Fairly certain which one Parliament will go for as mentioned earlier in the thread.
 
sun_tzu said:
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Its been obvious for a long time hasn't it that its not going to work.
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Yep, since before the referendum even. Or at least it should have been.

Yet it was ignored. Partly due to ignorance. Partly due to attention being wrongly and disproportionately focused on other issues rather than the one that has now proven to be the greatest stumbling block. Partly because the rise in anti-intellectualism, "fake news" narrative and a strange belief that both sides of an argument must in some way be equal meant that actual, discernible facts were dismissed without research by people who assumed they were as likely to be lies as the real lies told by the other side of the debate. Finally, partly because some people benefited from ignoring the fact that this would be a problem.
 
Remain
Staying in the EU means accepting the continued jurisdiction of the European court of justice, free movement, and tying Britain's trade policy to Europe's. It obviates the need for a hard border in Ireland.

Norway plus
Moving to a relationship with the EU like Norway's – even if not under the EEA – means accepting freedom of movement, and mostly forgoing independent trade and regulatory freedom for the UK. Assuming the deal includes a customs union (the 'plus'), it should solve problems with the Irish border.
 
Sassy Colin said:
Remain
Staying in the EU means accepting the continued jurisdiction of the European court of justice, free movement, and tying Britain's trade policy to Europe's. It obviates the need for a hard border in Ireland.

Norway plus
Moving to a relationship with the EU like Norway's – even if not under the EEA – means accepting freedom of movement, and mostly forgoing independent trade and regulatory freedom for the UK. Assuming the deal includes a customs union (the 'plus'), it should solve problems with the Irish border.
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The only difference between Remain and Norway plus the Customs Union is that the UK have no say or votes in the EU parliament - perfect for the EU.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
The only difference between Remain and Norway plus the Customs Union is that the UK have no say or votes in the EU parliament - perfect for the EU.
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There were a few that I didn't have a strong view either way on, but I would not be interested in any half arsed option. All in for me.
 
Anyone think there will be serious unrest from hardcore leavers if Brexit gets canned?
 
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