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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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It’s pathetic how Boris, Davis, Mogg etc all pick up huge payments on the side.



It's bad enough they all end up employed by them afterwards which is clearly a delayed payment of influence but direct payment is infuriating. There's no reason this should be allowed.
 
It means he gets results!

That doesn't make any sense. Airbus is not a French company.
It is no longer government owned and bear in mind that BAE no longer have a share of the company.
Airbus UK are wing systems designer and manufacturer.

As to the UK, we no longer have the capability to design or develop or produce whole aircraft.

So. Back to getting the French out...
 
That doesn't make any sense. Airbus is not a French company.
It is no longer government owned and bear in mind that BAE no longer have a share of the company.
Airbus UK are wing systems designer and manufacturer.

As to the UK, we no longer have the capability to design or develop or produce whole aircraft.

So. Back to getting the French out...
Hey, I'm trying to eat my sandwich here.
 
Absolute stupidity. The caller is a few sandwiches short of a picnic

Ireland don’t have much of an army for a start, it’s a neutral country

TBF Roy Keane is a bit of the Irish answer to Chuck Norris.
 
But but but Donald Trump will give us a deal. And that laugh at the end sums him up.
 
That doesn't make any sense. Airbus is not a French company.
It is no longer government owned and bear in mind that BAE no longer have a share of the company.
Airbus UK are wing systems designer and manufacturer.

As to the UK, we no longer have the capability to design or develop or produce whole aircraft.

So. Back to getting the French out...

It's the sort of attitude to foreigners that landed us in this mess in the first place.
 


Excuse my naivety here, but is the owner of Wetherspoons really an influencer when it comes to Brexit? I mean, did anyone ever hear of someone who voted on the basis of what a glorified pub landlord reckons?
 
Excuse my naivety here, but is the owner of Wetherspoons really an influencer when it comes to Brexit? I mean, did anyone ever hear of someone who voted on the basis of what a glorified pub landlord reckons?

He's a massive advocate for Brexit and on Question Time (and other political shows) a lot. Basically, it's pretty embarrassing how badly he answered the questions there.

What a pair of absolute bellends

Don't see what Owen Jones did wrong there.
 
I had a lot of pity for Hammond but it's turning into a deep loathing of the man. I think i misunderstood him being spineless for being compromising.

He seems to say one thing off camera before being told off and then forced to push the brexit line on TV. His latest pitch that the EU will move on their red lines is pathetic and clearly straight from Mays office
 
Delingpole is also a massive climate change denier, as well as a colossal prick.
 
Ask yourself what is the justification behind Sterling’s strength? It is difficult, the current reasoning is due to a potential extension to Article 50 and the apparent drop in probability of a no deal Brexit. Does this really justify the Pound making significant gains against the majority of major currencies?

Morgan Stanley believes there is now less than a 5% chance of a no deal Brexit, but if we look at the current situation is that really the case? By rumours spreading that a no deal is now less likely it puts Theresa May in a terrible position to negotiate. A no deal Brexit scenario is practically the only ammunition she has. Brussels knows this.


Saw the above from currency advisor Daniel Johnson yesterday. I am still struggling to see how the UK are going to avoid a no deal yet Morgan Stanley have it at less than 5%.
Also how is "no deal" any kind of ammunition unless you're playing Russian Roulette.
 
Ask yourself what is the justification behind Sterling’s strength? It is difficult, the current reasoning is due to a potential extension to Article 50 and the apparent drop in probability of a no deal Brexit. Does this really justify the Pound making significant gains against the majority of major currencies?

Morgan Stanley believes there is now less than a 5% chance of a no deal Brexit, but if we look at the current situation is that really the case? By rumours spreading that a no deal is now less likely it puts Theresa May in a terrible position to negotiate. A no deal Brexit scenario is practically the only ammunition she has. Brussels knows this.


Saw the above from currency advisor Daniel Johnson yesterday. I am still struggling to see how the UK are going to avoid a no deal yet Morgan Stanley have it at less than 5%.
Also how is "no deal" any kind of ammunition unless you're playing Russian Roulette.

What I don't get is how it works. "If you don't agree to a deal, we won't have a deal."
 
Ask yourself what is the justification behind Sterling’s strength? It is difficult, the current reasoning is due to a potential extension to Article 50 and the apparent drop in probability of a no deal Brexit. Does this really justify the Pound making significant gains against the majority of major currencies?

Morgan Stanley believes there is now less than a 5% chance of a no deal Brexit, but if we look at the current situation is that really the case? By rumours spreading that a no deal is now less likely it puts Theresa May in a terrible position to negotiate. A no deal Brexit scenario is practically the only ammunition she has. Brussels knows this.


Saw the above from currency advisor Daniel Johnson yesterday. I am still struggling to see how the UK are going to avoid a no deal yet Morgan Stanley have it at less than 5%.
Also how is "no deal" any kind of ammunition unless you're playing Russian Roulette.

What's being said in private to big firms like them, I wonder.
 
Ask yourself what is the justification behind Sterling’s strength? It is difficult, the current reasoning is due to a potential extension to Article 50 and the apparent drop in probability of a no deal Brexit. Does this really justify the Pound making significant gains against the majority of major currencies?

Morgan Stanley believes there is now less than a 5% chance of a no deal Brexit, but if we look at the current situation is that really the case? By rumours spreading that a no deal is now less likely it puts Theresa May in a terrible position to negotiate. A no deal Brexit scenario is practically the only ammunition she has. Brussels knows this.


Saw the above from currency advisor Daniel Johnson yesterday. I am still struggling to see how the UK are going to avoid a no deal yet Morgan Stanley have it at less than 5%.
Also how is "no deal" any kind of ammunition unless you're playing Russian Roulette.

No deal is only supported by about 70 MPs in total. The vast majority of the cabinet do not support it, 75% of Tory MPs do not support it and similar for Labour, the Lib Dems and SNP do not support it.

May's deal with the backstop included is supported by around 200 MPs, most of them just voting out of loyalty to the government or because they're on the payroll. If it was a free vote the number would be even lower.

May and the government even used No deal as part of their project fear campaign mark 2. The chancellor has said in his conference call the government will not allow no deal to happen. It's pretty stupid for them to now come out and say: Remove the backstop or we're going no deal. May and the government have already shown their cards!

Likely a huge amount of ministers and Tory MPs will back the Cooper / Grieve amendment to create debate time for article 50 extension or withdrawal if the government still have no plan.

That is why Sterling has strengthened. That and it's becoming obvious Europe, Germany, France (and the UK..) are heading for a recession.
 
No deal is only supported by about 70 MPs in total. The vast majority of the cabinet do not support it, 75% of Tory MPs do not support it and similar for Labour, the Lib Dems and SNP do not support it.

May's deal with the backstop included is supported by around 200 MPs, most of them just voting out of loyalty to the government or because they're on the payroll. If it was a free vote the number would be even lower.

May and the government even used No deal as part of their project fear campaign mark 2. The chancellor has said in his conference call the government will not allow no deal to happen. It's pretty stupid for them to now come out and say: Remove the backstop or we're going no deal. May and the government have already shown their cards!

Likely a huge amount of ministers and Tory MPs will back the Cooper / Grieve amendment to create debate time for article 50 extension or withdrawal if the government still have no plan.

That is why Sterling has strengthened. That and it's becoming obvious Europe, Germany, France (and the UK..) are heading for a recession.

But the only way to stop no deal is to agree a deal, and that looks far far away or they cancel Brexit.
No deal is not a threat to the EU.

The UK can't just negotiate with themselves.
They still only have three choices, No deal, May's deal (with a possible political declaration amendment going for BINO) or cancel it totally.

Maybe there will be a recession driven by various factors, Trump, Brexit, China but that would make the pound even weaker if they left.

Makes little sense.
 
But the only way to stop no deal is to agree a deal, and that looks far far away or they cancel Brexit.
No deal is not a threat to the EU.

The UK can't just negotiate with themselves.
They still only have three choices, No deal, May's deal (with a possible political declaration amendment going for BINO) or cancel it totally.

Maybe there will be a recession driven by various factors, Trump, Brexit, China but that would make the pound even weaker if they left.

Makes little sense.

Nothing needs to be agreed other accepting the withdrawal agreement and no deal are not credible options. That only leaves ones choice.

Stopping the Brexit process, via either just via a vote to withdraw article 50 and explaining the above, or asking the EU for an extension for another referendum between the WA and remaining.

I sincerely hope if this arises we go with option 1 as a second referendum would be bitter far beyond anything seen before and non one would accept the result anyway.
 
Nothing needs to be agreed other accepting the withdrawal agreement and no deal are not credible options. That only leaves ones choice.

Stopping the Brexit process, via either just via a vote to withdraw article 50 and explaining the above, or asking the EU for an extension for another referendum between the WA and remaining.

I sincerely hope if this arises we go with option 1 as a second referendum would be bitter far beyond anything seen before and non one would accept the result anyway.

I don't get this. No deal is the default option, in all circumstances it's a credible option because you literally need to do nothing to have it. All the other options require actual actions.
 
I don't get this. No deal is the default option, in all circumstances it's a credible option because you literally need to do nothing to have it. All the other options require actual actions.

I meant a majority of Parliament accepting no deal is not a credible option and voting through legislation to prevent it. That is what the cooper grieve amendment does. By making sure there will be parliamentary time to either extend or withdraw article 50 before leaving date.

A more extreme option would also be for Tory MPs to bring the government down when Corbyn calls a confidence vote by abstaining from it. Then forming a national government to prevent a no deal exit.

It seems Corbyn Labour will officially support the cooper grieve amendment too, whilst Corbyn wants Brexit imo he does not want to leave without an agreement either. What he really wants is a GE and there are many paths now for him to get one.
 
Why's the GBP doing so well all of a sudden? It's the highest it's been in months.