I've been talking to quite a lot of my students about this angle of it all. They are fascinated by it, far far away from it as they are.
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I've been talking to quite a lot of my students about this angle of it all. They are fascinated by it, far far away from it as they are.
For a while now I've felt that this is the Brexit endgame for those that really pull the strings. Brexit being a major step towards getting rid of environmental protections, other things such as food standards, workers rights and lowering taxes. Essentially getting rid of any laws/policies/rights that stand in the way of big business making a quick buck.
Don’t forget the gold
Well the eu seem keen on the unintelligent guys suggestions so what does that make them?
That's already been covered above. Staying in the CU/SM is quite acceptable as a solution with the proviso that the UK accepts the responsibilities and everything that comes with it. Don't believe Corbyn meant that. Vague as usual.
His letter doesn't seem to be going down too well with certain sections of his party either.
Furthermore do you seriously think that will please the Brexiters or the Remainers.
Lot of bollox about environment, nobody cares, no country does anything about it anyway.
You dont care how his party feels, you care about a smooth transition, if this goes down, feck it, who cares?
I meant in parliament
Wait and see. Wont go down well with torys i spect. I'd prefer no deal myself. Just to see the panic.
We will though. That’s sort of the point.
With the current meetings, isn't it just a case for agreeing a threshold (criteria) for when the backstop could be removed "with technology" or some other solution?
This is then takenback to parliament and the vote goes better than last time. Even if the threshold is unrealistic it gives the UK an out, an option to not feel trapped by the backstop. The more reasonable the criteria, the more votes it gets.
If the government is confident that another solution exists, I don't see why it's so much of a problem. From the EU's point of view, it's impossible to agree to a time threshold which would put us in the same situation as now, just X years in the future. There needs to be a meaningful specification.
This is then takenback to parliament and the vote goes better than last time. Even if the threshold is unrealistic it gives the UK an out, an option to not feel trapped by the backstop. The more reasonable the criteria, the more votes it gets.
If the government is confident that another solution exists, I don't see why it's so much of a problem. From the EU's point of view, it's impossible to agree to a time threshold which would put us in the same situation as now, just X years in the future. There needs to be a meaningful specification.
Wasn't that already the case though? Just that both sides had to agree that the new solution was acceptable, which seems unavoidable anyway.
Only 50 more sleeps until Brexit
No! Sleep! Till! Brexit!
I do understand your point.
However, had due diligence and proper planning been carried out as would have been done by a big organisation then, despite the decision, we would have gone through the leaving process with a clear plan for each eventuality.
Ha! Nice Beastie Boys reference!
If no deal happens, can’t the government put the unpaid divorce settlement into a pot, to pay for tariffs?
Also, any tariffs that are collected from businesses exporting to us, could be used to balance the UKs exports.
It’s a 2-way street.
We import more than we export, and a lot of the EU don’t want to lose that income.
Then lots of things are possible, but since no one knows exactly how it will all pan out, fear stalks the land. Brexit is a massive throw of the dice in economic terms, as in fact was joining the common market; however since it would seem the majority of people who voted leave didn't vote on economic grounds, the Remain argument falls on deaf ears. Its become an 'apple and oranges' argument that's why there is no coming together, one side or the other has to lose.
If the UK leaves without a deal the future is undetermined at this point, how we would fare trading as a separate entity cannot be assured; however staying in the EU means staying in a political organisation which is going in a direction the UK does not ultimately want to go, towards greater integration. Being outside the Euro-zone, wanting opt outs and rebates, not in favour of an EU army etc. makes the UK the 'awkward kid in the EU class' always out of step and dreading the emergence of majority voting on major issues, which is sure to come in the future EU... so why not leave?
Because its what we know, what we have settled for, leaving takes us out of our comfort zone and adds risk to an already uncertain future and its why in the end May or her successor will call off Brexit and we will all have to live with the consequences for the next decade.
There is no divorce settlement, the Uk just have to pay the amount they owe at the time they leave.
The tariffs are paid by the importers (not the exporters) who then pass it on to the consumers, like you.
Darkness falls across the land,
The midnight hour is close at hand,
Creatures crawl in search of food
To terrorize y'alls neighbourhood...
Sabotage could be apt too!
Of course it's none of this is guaranteed, but these documents should strike absolute terror into anyone in the UK.
Negotiating from a feeble position, faced with these kind of demands - a recipe for disaster.
This is a point you rarely, if ever, see put to Brexiteers who talk up the idea of making independent trade deals. Once the UK leaves, every other potential trading country will be well aware of just how desperate the UK will be to make a deal, any sort of deal, and with virtually no leverage to get anything remotely as advantageous as what there currently is within the EU.
There's endless reasons we could speculate on for that (empire mentality, overvaluing British produce, blitz spirit, simply not caring etc etc) but it should be seen by most people as an absolute fact and another example of Project Ostrich among the decision-makers in the UK.
Honestly, reading that article would make you endlessly grateful for being in the EU...
Isn't the UK's issue that, in theory, the EU may choose never to "agree" on that acceptable solution, and/or dangle their agreement as leverage in other future negotiations? So having pre-agreed criteria, which solves the backstop problem, would give the UK "control" over their destiny.
If that's not what's happening then I have no idea what's going on.
The point you make should be blindingly obvious but for some reason it’s never brought up by interviewers when the likes of Liam Fox starts going on about these wonderful deals.
As far as the US goes, the Brexiteer ultras never seem to be too concerned about being pushed around by Uncle Sam (although being a leading voice in a club of 28 is an absolutely unacceptable infringement of sovereignty). As for the other Leave supporters, for a lot of them I think their clock stopped with images of Churchill and Roosevelt in the Grand Alliance and they imagine we’ll get a special deal.
You are a joke, can't expect to be taken seriously which such statements , can you?
Oh really. You have obviously not done your research first.
The UK for example has reduced its CO2 output significantly over the last decade and now uses very little coal for power generation.
Have you heard about the forthcoming ban on petrol and diesel cars and have you read about the massive sums being spent on developing electric cars.
I will agree that nothing like enough is being done but your statement is factually incorrect.
Not surprised a bitter, old fart like yourself doesn't give two shits about the state of the planet he'll be leaving for future generations.
And that’s all down to EU legalisation which is what you’re implying?
No-deal Brexit risks rise as UK-Japan trade talks stall
Tokyo confident it can secure better terms from the UK than it did in discussions with EU
Tokyo confident it can secure better terms from the UK than it did in discussions with EU
https://www.ft.com/content/5ce60af2-2b90-11e9-a5ab-ff8ef2b976c7
Good to see us pushing ahead with all these glorious trade deals eh.
Farage confident Brexit won't happen. Well he's hoping it won't.
New Brexit party recognised
A new Brexit party, supported by Nigel Farage has been officially recognised by the Electoral Commission and is likely to win over thousands of Tory defectors, the Telegraph reports.
The party is called ...The Brexit Party. It says it will field candidates in England, Wales, Scotland and Europe.
The party leader is former Ukip candidate, Catherine Blaiklock, who the New European profiled her last month (it’s worth reading in full):
She is best-known for failing to win Great Yarmouth for UKIP in the 2017 general election despite an innovative campaign which saw her brandish a large photograph of her Jamaican husband at one hustings in an attempt to demonstrate that ’Kippers were not racist, later telling Vice “I sleep with somebody who is black.”
Her recent return to the limelight has provided equally startling quotes, with Blaiklock telling the Sun that “people feel treason has been committed” in the fight against Brexit ...
Blaiklock advised those on low income to heed the example of Sherpas in the Himalayas, who eat “practically nothing but boiled potatoes with a bit of salt and chilli on the side”.
The Telegraph says:
Farage, the former Ukip leader who is supporting the party, said “the engine is running” and he stood “ready for battle” to fight the Tories and Labour of the European Parliament elections are held.
A new Brexit party, supported by Nigel Farage has been officially recognised by the Electoral Commission and is likely to win over thousands of Tory defectors, the Telegraph reports.
The party is called ...The Brexit Party. It says it will field candidates in England, Wales, Scotland and Europe.
The party leader is former Ukip candidate, Catherine Blaiklock, who the New European profiled her last month (it’s worth reading in full):
She is best-known for failing to win Great Yarmouth for UKIP in the 2017 general election despite an innovative campaign which saw her brandish a large photograph of her Jamaican husband at one hustings in an attempt to demonstrate that ’Kippers were not racist, later telling Vice “I sleep with somebody who is black.”
Her recent return to the limelight has provided equally startling quotes, with Blaiklock telling the Sun that “people feel treason has been committed” in the fight against Brexit ...
Blaiklock advised those on low income to heed the example of Sherpas in the Himalayas, who eat “practically nothing but boiled potatoes with a bit of salt and chilli on the side”.
The Telegraph says:
Farage, the former Ukip leader who is supporting the party, said “the engine is running” and he stood “ready for battle” to fight the Tories and Labour of the European Parliament elections are held.
The state of these quotes, it has to be a parody.
"Let them eat spuds."
"And spice things up by sleeping with black people."
Just checked his Twitter. Full of idiots who want Brexit more than anything else and are willing to vote for whoever they have to to get it.
Farage would give Trump whatever he wanted if he were voted in.