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Stanley Road said:
I can quite safely say i dont ever want to fit into dutch life. I dont want to eat shit food, i dont want to eat at 6pm on the dot, i dont want to complain all day about everything, i dont want to eat chocolate sprinkles on bread for breakfast, i dont want to eat a sandwich with a knife and fork, i dont want to moan about being too busy while doing not much, i dont want to eat lunch at 12 on the dot and i dont want to be ultra racist.
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Do you speak Dutch? Your mrs is dutch, isn't she?
 
Steven Seagull said:
I hear people in England complaining about foreigners who don’t try to integrate. I think it’s fair to complain about these people.
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There is a small difference, Paul is talking about small villages where it's extremely easy to spot someone that is actually not trying to integrate, I'm sure that it also happens in british villages and that's an issue for the people not integrating more than the rest of the population.
 
Steven Seagull said:
I hear people in England complaining about foreigners who don’t try to integrate. I think it’s fair to complain about these people.
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Foreigners should try to integrate to at least a minimum extent whichever country they go to live in.

The people I'm talking about lived in complete isolation from their surroundings.

I hear people in England complaining about overhearing foreign languages on a bus for example, that's not what I'm saying, people can talk to each other in any language they want.

You wouldn't expect a Russian , for example, to walk into a shop in Manchester, and expect the person behind the counter to understand what he was talking about.
 
Stanley Road said:
I do and she is. My dutch is crap and we speak english at home.
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Even if your Dutch is crap you make an effort, you're working in NL, you're part of Dutch life to some extent, you don't have to become completely Dutch.

My wife and I are fluent in each other's languages and we can both speak a decent amount of German so if we don't want people to know what we're talking about we switch languages.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Even if your Dutch is crap you make an effort, you're working in NL, you're part of Dutch life to some extent, you don't have to become completely Dutch.

My wife and I are fluent in each other's languages and we can both speak a decent amount of German so if we don't want people to know what we're talking about we switch languages.
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I bet that brings back sweet memories for the locals.
 
Steven Seagull said:
I hear people in England complaining about foreigners who don’t try to integrate. I think it’s fair to complain about these people.
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What do you call integration though, getting shitfaced at the weekend, pissing on your trousers and eating a kebab off the floor?
 
Sweet Square said:


Boomers are as thick as pig shit.
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Chickens coming home to roost. I’ve always been staggered at the idea that Brits living in another EU country might vote for Brexit. Thus making it much harder for the next generation of Brits to do the same. Stupid, selfish fecking cnuts.
 
Steven Seagull said:
No. Don’t know anybody who doesn’t that if I’m being honest.

I would say learning the language would be a start, whether you live in a village or a big city.
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It can be hard, particularly as an adult. I have no aptitude for languages and I think I would struggle, even if I moved to another country. Id probably rely heavily on my kids - who I'm sure would adapt more quickly- as many immigrants do.
 
Stanley Road said:
I can quite safely say i dont ever want to fit into dutch life. I dont want to eat shit food, i dont want to eat at 6pm on the dot, i dont want to complain all day about everything, i dont want to eat chocolate sprinkles on bread for breakfast, i dont want to eat a sandwich with a knife and fork, i dont want to moan about being too busy while doing not much, i dont want to eat lunch at 12 on the dot and i dont want to be ultra racist.
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Maybe not racist, but after all your rant previous the boldened sentence at least tiny tiny bit xenophobic towards the dutch
 
Stanley Road said:
I can quite safely say i dont ever want to fit into dutch life. I dont want to eat shit food, i dont want to eat at 6pm on the dot, i dont want to complain all day about everything, i dont want to eat chocolate sprinkles on bread for breakfast, i dont want to eat a sandwich with a knife and fork, i dont want to moan about being too busy while doing not much, i dont want to eat lunch at 12 on the dot and i dont want to be ultra racist.
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No, just somewhat xenophobic.
 
Stanley Road said:
When someone switches language to talk secretly, its so obvious you're talking about people around you.
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I don't mean when you're talking to someone or when you're in a group together. If I'm in a group of mixed French and English for example I'd say what I'm saying in both languages so everyone understood.

I meant if you're talking privately, for example in a supermarket or restaurant, why should people be allowed to eavesdrop on your conversation, unless you're called Farage and he has the right of course.
 
Steven Seagull said:
No. Don’t know anybody who doesn’t that if I’m being honest.

I would say learning the language would be a start, whether you live in a village or a big city.
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You should go out more.

I don't know if you're talking about ALL "foreigners" or just the EU but if referring to the latter I would say a lot of the people who have come over here from the EU speak and write better English than a lot of the people who voted leave.

If you're talking about the older refugees and asylym seekers who wouldn't normally go to school then its extremely difficuilt for them to integrate considering services in this country have been cut to the bone. There are no more programs in community centres to teach them English, there are no more skills programs etc Some of them could even be illiterate so it would be doubly hard. It doesn't help that their neighbours see them as dirty foreigners either so its not exactly easy but you're welcome to clarify exactly who you're talking about.
 
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4bars said:
Maybe not racist, but after all your rant previous the boldened sentence at least tiny tiny bit xenophobic towards the dutch
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Well they have a natural dislike for turks and Moroccans, if me pointing that out makes me xenophobic then yes i am.
 
Stanley Road said:
I can quite safely say i dont ever want to fit into dutch life. I dont want to eat shit food, i dont want to eat at 6pm on the dot, i dont want to complain all day about everything, i dont want to eat chocolate sprinkles on bread for breakfast, i dont want to eat a sandwich with a knife and fork, i dont want to moan about being too busy while doing not much, i dont want to eat lunch at 12 on the dot and i dont want to be ultra racist.
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Eating at 6pm is perfect if you want to have a decent evening for hobbies and enjoying life, all for it. I could learn to live with chocolate sprinkles if necessary, as a gesture to integration.
 
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Stanley Road said:
Well they have a natural dislike for turks and Moroccans, if me pointing that out makes me xenophobic then yes i am.
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Along with calling them lazy, anally retentive, shit at food and moany it probably does yeah.
 
Ultimate Grib said:
You should go out more.

I don't know if you're talking about ALL "foreigners" or just the EU but if referring to the latter I would say a lot of the people who have come over here from the EU speak and write better English than a lot of the people who voted leave.

If you're talking about the older refugees and asylym seekers who wouldn't normally go to school then its extremely difficuilt for them to integrate considering services in this country have been cut to the bone. There are no more programs in community centres to teach them English, there are no more skills programs etc Some of them could even be illiterate so it would be doubly hard. It doesn't help that their neighbours see them as dirty foreigners either so its not exactly easy but you're welcome to clarify exactly who you're talking about.
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So you disagree with Pauls belief that people should make more effort to speak the language of the country they reside in? I can’t pigeon hole everybody who doesn’t make an effort but there are many people who don’t.

For clarity I don’t believe these people should just “go back home” but you don’t have to piss your pants and eat kebab to integrate better
 
limerickcitykid said:
Its a right of passage up there, if you've been to Newcastle and haven't volleyed chicken wings at passing cars then you just didn't do it right.
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Getting a late night bus through the Bigg Market is a good way to see what life would be like after a catastrophic breakdown of society.
 
Steven Seagull said:
So you disagree with Pauls belief that people should make more effort to speak the language of the country they reside in? I can’t pigeon hole everybody who doesn’t make an effort but there are many people who don’t.

For clarity I don’t believe these people should just “go back home” but you don’t have to piss your pants and eat kebab to integrate better
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Are there really many who don't? I grew up in bradford where the communities are quite segregated but i can't say there were many times i came across what you're talking about. Parents/grandparents letting their child speak for them happened sometimes but from the families i knew that was as much about educating the child as anything.

I've said it on here before but having moved around the country a fair bit it's down south where i live now in a place that lacks diversity that views such as "they don't even try" seem stronger. Some of the people i hear complain I'd wager have never actually spoke to an immigrant family to even form a view.
 
Steven Seagull said:
So you disagree with Pauls belief that people should make more effort to speak the language of the country they reside in? I can’t pigeon hole everybody who doesn’t make an effort but there are many people who don’t.

For clarity I don’t believe these people should just “go back home” but you don’t have to piss your pants and eat kebab to integrate better
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I don't disagree at all that people should integrate fruther and try and learn the language. But it's a bit ironic for the English to say that, when the majority of them going abroad class learning the language as speaking English in a louder voice with a bit of an accent.

You've not given me any examples of people not integrating. For those who you think are not is it by choice?

And I want to add one more thing that for a lot of the refugees and those seeking ayslym there is nothing more they would want than being able to go home. Especially thosw who find it hard to integrate.
 
One of the many ironies of the baby boomer costa del sol living, leave voting feckwits is that they perceive themselves as a boon to the Spanish economy despite the vast majority of them paying zero income tax in Spain, while costing the Spanish health service a disproportionate amount of money in their old age. While simultaneously inisting that much younger immigrants to the UK are a drain on the British economy. Go figure.

And people still get annoyed when it’s suggested that a lot of people who voted Leave were idiots...
 
Can someone help me out understanding this. Labour/Corbyn requesting a customs union, May's response seems to make sense:

Mrs May does not agree with his first demand on the customs union, and wrote: "I am not clear why you believe it would be preferable to seek a say in future EU trade deals rather than the ability to strike our own deals?"

The existing Political Declaration, setting out the goals for the future relationship between the UK and the EU, "explicitly provides for the benefits of a customs union - no tariffs, fees, charges or quantitative restrictions across all sectors and no checks on rules of origin", Mrs May told Mr Corbyn.


So why are labour requesting this? What advantages does it provide?
 
LuisNaniencia said:
Can someone help me out understanding this. Labour/Corbyn requesting a customs union, May's response seems to make sense:

Mrs May does not agree with his first demand on the customs union, and wrote: "I am not clear why you believe it would be preferable to seek a say in future EU trade deals rather than the ability to strike our own deals?"

The existing Political Declaration, setting out the goals for the future relationship between the UK and the EU, "explicitly provides for the benefits of a customs union - no tariffs, fees, charges or quantitative restrictions across all sectors and no checks on rules of origin", Mrs May told Mr Corbyn.


So why are labour requesting this? What advantages does it provide?
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What she is mentioning concerns FTAs not custom unions.
 
LuisNaniencia said:
Can someone help me out understanding this. Labour/Corbyn requesting a customs union, May's response seems to make sense:

Mrs May does not agree with his first demand on the customs union, and wrote: "I am not clear why you believe it would be preferable to seek a say in future EU trade deals rather than the ability to strike our own deals?"

The existing Political Declaration, setting out the goals for the future relationship between the UK and the EU, "explicitly provides for the benefits of a customs union - no tariffs, fees, charges or quantitative restrictions across all sectors and no checks on rules of origin", Mrs May told Mr Corbyn.


So why are labour requesting this? What advantages does it provide?
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My take is that at this stage of the Brexit process it's primary benefit would be to obviate leaving with a no deal.

Like all these things there are pluses and minuses to everything.
Labour has wanted us to have A Customs Union, as opposed to being in THE EU Customs Union for some time. In terms of the benefits, the BBC website lays these out.

The Brexiteers in the Tory party and some of the Labour party as well hate this idea primarily because it would prevent the UK from negotiating separate trading arrangements with other countries. Something the leavers see as the big prize of leaving.
 
LuisNaniencia said:
Can someone help me out understanding this. Labour/Corbyn requesting a customs union, May's response seems to make sense:

Mrs May does not agree with his first demand on the customs union, and wrote: "I am not clear why you believe it would be preferable to seek a say in future EU trade deals rather than the ability to strike our own deals?"

The existing Political Declaration, setting out the goals for the future relationship between the UK and the EU, "explicitly provides for the benefits of a customs union - no tariffs, fees, charges or quantitative restrictions across all sectors and no checks on rules of origin", Mrs May told Mr Corbyn.


So why are labour requesting this? What advantages does it provide?
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The answer to May's question is obvious: the EU has much more barganing power for trade deals than the UK on its own. Size matters.

That said, the UK might feel it can better "tailor" FTAs on its own. However the UK is still likely to get bent over a barrell by the US and China.
 
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