Not to mention the thorny issue of countries like Spain not wanting to allow breakaway nations being allowed into the EU (given the situation in Catalonia).
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
This is true. Should I get excited, or will it be something inherently boring and British? (No offense to the Brits, but you do make fun of your own cuisine for a reason)
Probably a pie or something.
True. Such an awful mess.
Don't know, it was 40 odd years ago and before my time
Why do you think I have a french wife and live in France.
You could take the opportunity for him to explain the benefits of Brexit because surely someone, somewhere must know what they are.
Imagine that... Voting on the basis of a negotiated deal rather than a vague ideaIt did not, it said this:
Even then we still had Leavers talking bowlox.
He's bang on...
I actually had no idea that was the case with the first referendum. It makes this referendum even more ridiculous (if possible)
Another post that adds nothing to the discussion
Ok so i will tell you, it didnt. By your own logic we therefore shouldnt have had the 2016 vote because that was a 'neverendum' (your words) following he vote in 75.
That's not my logic
A 40+ year gap is not a neverendum. Multiple generations have passed, before another referendum was taken.
Furthermore, in this specific case, it wasn't a vote to leave the EC (which no longer exists), but to leave the EU. A very different entity
If you can't see the difference and significance of that timeframe, then best to stay away from 'logic' or be less biased in your viewpoints
That part is not exactly true. The UK joined the three pillars which included the European community. The EU is the three pillars under a single legal act, it's not a very different entity, it's a very similar entity.
You know what the word never means, right?
Cause Freedom of Movement, a single currency and political institutions that mirror a state (e.g. a foreign ministry) are just little changes.
FFS
None of these have been created by the EU(post maastricht). The UK don't have the single currency, the foreign policy comes from the EPC created in 1970, freedom of movement is also a plan from the late 60s early 70s and the ECSC is/was a political treaty which is stipulated in its preamble.
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You really have no idea what you are talking about.
I voted for Freedom of Movement in 1975. The Uk aren't in the single currency and never would have been.
We didn't have freedom of movement of unskilled workers from the former eastern block in 1975, a point of contention for a large part of the population. And a change
Yes, I know we are not in the currency. My point was that the EU has changed significantly from the EC in the 40 plus years. It's moved from economic to political. It didn't have a single currency, as large a population or political institutes - it now has. Around the corner is a potential EU military,
- it's becoming a super state.
Some people might like that, some won't. But the fact is that it's a massive change over 40+ years, which has evolved with each Treaty
The single currency had been an objective of the EC since well before the UK joined. The goals of the EC , now the EU,have not changed very much and when the referendum was held in 1975 all these points were discussed then . It has developed and more countries have joined with the ultimate goal that the whole of Europe would be part of it.
The Uk have control over people, just that they didn't exercise that control, if an immigrant is a burden on the country, they can be sent home.
You may have noticed that there has been a vast reduction of immigrants from the Eu since the referendum but immigration has not fallen because they have been replaced by immigrants from outside the EU.
Strangely back before the UK were in the EC, people moaned about immigrants taking skilled jobs like doctors and that there was a brain drain from the UK. How times have changed. Wonder who's going to do the unskilled jobs, especially when the UK are bragging how low the unemployment is.
All the countries have agreed to those changes, including Britain.
Why do people bother arguing with @Bola
Does anyone actually think there is any sort of point to it? Might as well try to convince a brick not to sink in water...
Does anyone actually think there is any sort of point to it? Might as well try to convince a brick not to sink in water...
3 pages on referendums and neverendums with @Bola , why the fuss? If he is so strict with the terms and rules and so, the referendum was consultative, not binding, so UK shouldnt be bind to leave the EU based on the vote of the people.
I don't agree at all that this should be the format. Some people that would like to leave under May's deal, would rather prefer remain than leave without a deal and would be too late to go back for them
The format should be
Remain vs May's Deal
Remain vs No deal
May's Deal vs No deal
Or put in order your preference from 1 to 3
Remain
May's deal
No deal
And make a calculation of the results according to preferences
It's seems this echo chamber does not like alternate views, plenty of sheep for the EU sausage machine
This is not a echo chamber and we are no sheep. You have not raised any point that hasn't been addressed 15times in this very thread. You just repeat the same lies and empty phrases again and again.
You cannot expect anybody to take you serious if you add nothing to the discussion that hasn't been debunked in 2016. You are simply wasting everyone's time.
I know people like you don't like the truth so I don't expect you to like this either. I'm fine with that.
I expected as much from a remoaner
From what I can see he's entirely correct about everything
What do you mean, that if I don't agree with you I should say nothing and not engage in trying to discuss? why are you in a forum? do you think you would change someones mind? did you come with your mind open to change?
DOn't be and hypocrite
Just like yours when you reference me
Discuss what? Have you asked me a question today?
No wonder there is deadlock when remoaner is considered a valid response.
The referendum woldn't be rigged and I'd think a sensible option would be 2 questions. Something like,
1) Leave or stay
If the result is leave then
2) deal or no deal.
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Name one thing , I must have missed it.
plenty of sheep is plural and they asked questions. suit yourself.
And yes. I did. Why the fuss?
Why you think the referendum should be respected if it was not binding? this shouldn't be happening on the first place. it was just consultative
Irrelevant. Especially as we are in deadlock.
How about we make a pile and set billions of pounds on fire.
Even if they were a party yet why would they want to.do that? Brexit could be in a few days time.
It's the closet thing we have had to a public say on the EU in 40+ years. Absolute waste of people's time If it is ignored
The content of my reference to you is that discussing you is pointless. I feel sorry for you, honestly, I do. I have accepted that you (and many like you) actually believe that ignorant message that your record player keeps skipping back too. I feel you, you can't help yourself and have decided it's better to take your country with you into your abyss than to stay there alone. (How much worse can it get, ey!?)
I pity your poor compatriots more though, those losing their jobs because of your (and others) personal problems. Those who feel their future chances are lessened by people who have repeatedly lied to them to deliver something no one ever voted for. There must be a young generation of British kids who have now come to know 'democracy' as a word to scream whenever they are challenged with logic.
I'll give you two.
The need to respect the result of the largest public vote ever held in the UK, prior to the vote, we were told, you will vote once and your decision implemented. Thast's not a promise that can be broken without consequence.
Also, the fact that the EU today with 28 member states bears little resemblance to the entity the UK joined in the early 70s. The eastward expansion after the fall of the Soviet empire, and the Maastricht and Lisbon treaties fundamentally altered the nature of the EU. I know "ever closer union" is in the Treaty of Rome but theory and practice are different things.
The entire thing could have been avoided if a referendum on the ratification of Lisbon had been held, like was promised.