Reiver
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I see most of the press seem to be backing this "new" deal now. They're obviously worried that it's this or no Brexit at all now.
I'd guess so... I don't think the legal advice has been issued yet... Amendments have not been raised yet... I'd guess somewhere between 7 and 10So what time is the vote? Late in the evening presumably.
Dont remember them saying that. The first part of your post is correct.We got here by being pissed on by the Tories and the Tories convincing the public it was actually the EU that was urinating.
Dont remember them saying that. The first part of your post is correct.
The only way that becomes a problem if is somebody proves that is what happened... And attorney client etc... Simply can't see that becoming a problemJon Snow on C4 News (post tweet someone - I don't do Twitter), says a legal associate of his reckons that the AG said 'no' to the deal and was subsequently told to go away and find a way of saying 'yes'
If this is true shes going to get totally rinsed in the HoC.
Unless he resigns having been put in that position. Which if he was, then he should.The only way that becomes a problem if is somebody proves that is what happened... And attorney client etc... Simply can't see that becoming a problem
Still Would be protected under attorney client and they then just appoint a new ag who gives them the required legal cover for the deal... Don't think this will go anywhereUnless he resigns having been put in that position. Which if he was, then he should.
The problem is that he is effectively marking his own homework so I would expect pretty robust legal challenges to his opinion. If he has been forced to change it then said challenges may give him pause for thought about his position.Still Would be protected under attorney client and they then just appoint a new ag who gives them the required legal cover for the deal... Don't think this will go anywhere
Still Would be protected under attorney client and they then just appoint a new ag who gives them the required legal cover for the deal... Don't think this will go anywhere
Perhaps... But any challenge will take time... And if his legal cover is a high enough ladder for the erg and dup to climb down from then the deal goes through today (potentially)... And any legal challenge is simply dismissed as "remoaning" ... If it's not sufficient to get the deal through then all attention is on the no deal and extension votes...The problem is that he is effectively marking his own homework so I would expect pretty robust legal challenges to his opinion. If he has been forced to change it then said challenges may give him pause for thought about his position.
Our Attourney General's professional response to the accusation that he initially said no..
Our Attourney General's professional response to the accusation that he initially said no..
Going to be closer, doubt it's going to be close.I have a horrible feeling this will be close.
Going to be closer, doubt it's going to be close.
May has already presented all sides with a way out. Think parliament will take it .June/July is the real cliff edge where your scenario might likely play out.I just have a feeling the Brexiteers (inc Labour ones) will take it as a 'win' (despite knowing for well it's a fudge) and Tory Remainers will fall in to line at the last second because of some misguided belief that voting through the deal and 'ending uncertainty' is sensible.
Hopefully the numbers aren't there, but I'm not as confident as I would be if May had come back completely empty handed as opposed to carrying gift wrapped empty boxes.
I have a horrible feeling this will be close.
Out of curiosity, do remainers here want to see this deal passed or rejected? Obviously it would secure Brexit but it is also the UK's best chance of avoiding hard brexit. Given how remote the chances of Brexit being cancelled are in any scenario, do you not take the loss now and prevent the far more likely disaster of the worst case scenario?
Only on the last day if it comes to that but this isn't last chance saloon for the withdrawal agreement and there's plenty of time to vote on other directions first
I just have a feeling the Brexiteers (inc Labour ones) will take it as a 'win' (despite knowing for well it's a fudge) and Tory Remainers will fall in to line at the last second because of some misguided belief that voting through the deal and 'ending uncertainty' is sensible.
Hopefully the numbers aren't there, but I'm not as confident as I would be if May had come back completely empty handed as opposed to carrying gift wrapped empty boxes.
Yeah i think she might sneak it.. the key could be the DUP.May has already presented all sides with a way out. Think parliament will take it .June/July is the real cliff edge where your scenario might likely play out.
I'm saying she'll lose because she's given parliament and out (delay). Then June/July becomes the real cliff edge where she's going to probably win.Yeah i think she might sneak it.. the key could be the DUP.
Do you still expect Brexit has a chance of being cancelled when clearly both parties want it to pass through?
I don't think the EU will approve the delay in that caseI'm saying she'll lose because she's given parliament and out (delay). Then June/July becomes the real cliff edge where she's going to probably win.
Ah ok, misread your post.I'm saying she'll lose because she's given parliament and out (delay). Then June/July becomes the real cliff edge where she's going to probably win.
I think it's a more realistic possibility than you're allowing for, yeah. It's obviously a pretty risky endeavour, but if May can't get this through Parliament then I find it difficult to believe there's much that could except either a) a softer Brexit that Labour could back (a preferable option anyway) or b) a referendum.
I'm not so sure. From the EU's pov, it's no deal now or possibility bofbno deal in the future. I just can't see it passing now.I don't think the EU will approve the delay in that case
The sensible thing would be to take the deal and negotiate the future relationship thereafter but... there are are so many different factions in the HoC all with their own agenda, none of them are for the good of the country.
We've had enough of experts.People's Vote have produced legal advice from 3 top lawyers who are experts in EU and international law who say this latest agreement is basically nonsense that changes nothing.
According to the Guardian, revoking A50 would likely require a vote in parliament, which lends credence to the "no deal by accident" scenario.I have long believed that when Theresa May loses her 'meaningful vote' for a second time, she will revoke A50 then fall on her sword saying "I did my best, time to go" and that will be that, Brexit finished. Chaos in British politics to follow!
However in recent days and after listening to JRM talk last night about the "law of the land" taking over on the 29th March, and listening to so many people in the HoP (overwhelmingly so)saying a No deal' cannot happen and then I think of United's result on Wednesday, when equally all football people wrote them off...I am beginning to think the unthinkable, No deal will happen because nobody thinks it possible, when in fact it is the only thing that is pre-ordained to happen, by law, is a No deal exit!
Hope I'm wrong... but the hairs on the back of my neck are beginning to twitch! Anyone else in this mind set?
That's naive. You're effectively saying May would choose to destroy the Tories to save the country.I have long believed that when Theresa May loses her 'meaningful vote' for a second time, she will revoke A50 then fall on her sword saying "I did my best, time to go" and that will be that, Brexit finished. Chaos in British politics to follow!