Have Labour ruled out tabling such an amendment? I must have missed that news
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Have Labour ruled out tabling such an amendment? I must have missed that news
Most of those 17 million are morons who didn't know what they were voting for, so feck 'em.
Not at all - MP's will lie through their teeth to get your vote, then when they do, they'll do whatever is in their best interests and not their constituents.
Because it won't be economically stable.
If Remain wins 51 vs 49, nothing will be settled.
This will go on forever.
The remainers need to learn to compromise. The leavers need to learn to compromise.
I could punch him until his face became a liquid
literally tabled it in January
We need to get rid of the chit. Just float him on a raft into the Pacific or something.
At the moment no deal Brexit.
No deal. Shit will hit the fan, of course. People will realise its not worth it and call a referendum in another 2-3 years.
The businesses which have decided to move because of the uncertainty are not going to change their decision even if there is going to be an extension, in fact, it would create more chaos. Whats done is done.
I’m not her biggest fan but I don’t think there’s one person on this planet who could have negotiated a deal to please enough people. Having such a clean cut choice on the original referendum was always going to lead to this shit show.
UK is currently finding out the harsh reality of being on its own, nobody gives a feck about your worries now.
They mentioned on BBC there that the EU would want more than a 3 month delay because of the elections and new commissioners etc, the EU wouldn't even be in position to negotiate (again) with the UK until the autumn of this year.
Actually it'll solve a lot. We'll know when informed of what brexit would actually look like whether the public want it or not
I don't see how it can be avoided.
If parliament had a definite goal - but there is no definite goal - Labour want unicorns, SNP know they want unicorns, ERG wants no deal and most of the remaining Tories wanted the deal or to remain. How are they ever going to agree an actual majority position.
You can't suddenly not be in the EU after decades of being in it. A mechanism has to be worked out to allow the UK to stand alone, or the country would crash and burn virtually overnight. That's what they've been attempting to do and it was quite right and proper that the mechanism for leaving was put to the House.
Heres the thing though...
Say MP's vote against no deal tomorrow, then vote for an extension on thursday. May goes to the EU and says we want an extension, and they ask why. She says no idea, we just do so we can figure something out, they'll most likely turn around and say no chance. Once the EU rules out an extension, and a second referendum has no majority, it'll either go to a general election, or May will slam her deal back on the table and say it's either this or the legal default of no deal.
Just going round in circles.
Say MP's vote against no deal tomorrow, then vote for an extension on thursday. May goes to the EU and says we want an extension, and they ask why. She says no idea, we just do so we can figure something out, they'll most likely turn around and say no chance. Once the EU rules out an extension, and a second referendum has no majority, it'll either go to a general election, or May will slam her deal back on the table and say it's either this or the legal default of no deal.
Just going round in circles.
She should've given negotiating powers to parliament when the government lost in court. It's way easier to vote against a government deal than a parliament deal. Bit late now though.
Could someone please explain what this means?
Any chance of Brexit being canceled?
Any chance of Brexit being canceled?
Come on, you posted this over two months ago now regarding Labour's next moves
Meanwhile I'm listening to Richard Burgon saying "we want a common sense Brexit" right now. "A public vote may become necessary but our priority is a Labour brexit".
@Paul the Wolf, the only answer is to revoke Article 50. I think that's why MPs are pressing so hard right now to get clarity on the Article 50 extension debate and potential amendments to it.
I don't agree at all.
She's tried to please everyone and failed.
If she'd asked for a cross-party Brexit, we'd be leaving
Almost none. There is a great chance of the worst possible Brexit though.
Yes because we have so much trust in UK politics now
Who gives a feck, let's just stop this madness!
Yes but who's going to actually do that. Don't think anyone in parliament has got the guts to go against the "will of the people"
The compromise would be a CU and freedom of movement etc. Very close partnership, though we would of course have to abide by any changes the EU makes(the labour model, basically).
Of course, it's a bad idea when compared to the deal we have. But it would mean we have left, and the parties could choose to run on their vision of the future relationship at general elections.
This is basically it even if the EU grants the extension. At the end of the extension period we'd end up right back here.
The reaction out of Brussels tonight has been cold too. The continental politicians are not happy. Can't see them being willing to keep going around the houses.
But we'll have:-
Right wing riots (bad)
Tory party split (good)
A new ultra-right populist party (bad)
Calls for a third referendum (bad)
That's not going to go through. They are not going to vote against the will of the people.
My point is i don't understand why the poster thinks Labour have ruled one out. They've done no such thing and i expect them to do so this week again in the same fashion of Labour Brexit and if that fails 2nd ref.
To me it's comes across that they're admitting they've hit a brick wall and this is an opportunity for the public to have the final say.
Just to be clear. The WA has been rejected.
The current legal position is that a law has previously been passed that the UK will leave the EU on 29th.
Even if they reject a no deal exit tomorrow that vote does not override the current law.
To stop that the law will have to be changed. The vote cannot override the law unless that law is changed.
Exactly. Preech man.
Of course I'm not happy with it. Neither are you.
But I could learn to live with it. And so could most people
Brexit is basically the same as it was on the 24th June 2016 - the lunatics leading the blind by using the idiots' votes.
The few l know who voted leave had no clue what they voted for. Some admit this and some now pretend they did. Let's face it even the staunchest remain voter didn't know the sheer depth and breadth of the consequences at the time of the vote.
I reckon for 2nd referendum to happen UK will have to experience no deal consequences for a few weeks and when economy will start tanking with all the chaos in the background in the short space of time it will be a good time to call it a day.
Only if there is a 2nd referendum that votes to remain.
By your own expectations up there, they should be on the "all out for second ref" stage by now, not still the "yes it's still on the table but really let's have an election so we can do a Labour brexit" one that's been tried for about six months, with less than three weeks to go.
Probably the logical way to a 2nd ref but not if you have to experience it...
I doubt the riots, we might have some disturbances but not much.
I'm not sure what the call for a third referendum will be considering we now know what's available and it'll only be required if the public reject Mays deal. To go back and negotiate a soft brexit? Sounds reasonable i suppose at least it would be an easier negotiation