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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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Maybe. Has Mike posted in the pics thread?

I think there's few pics of me in the LondonCaf thread
Once the WA was agreed, there were always only three options against a rapidly closing window.
  • Accept the deal
  • No Deal
  • Revoke A50.
As unpopular as May's deal is, it was always the likeliest option of the three. She's not a genius, she just has reality on her side.

Or...or... give it a 2-year delay, do nothing in the meantime and wait until everyone is so sick of it hearing about Brexit they will just about accept any outcome.
 
Will May need Parliament to approve a long extension? Tusk has said he will persuade leaders to approve a long extension if MPs don't approve a deal.

I think it will be approve May's deal or face a long extension. Question is, will this be enough to give May a majority?

Furthermore, will Bercow allow a 3rd vote. If May doesn't amend the deal and there is little to indication that a significant amount of MPs will vote differently then it shouldn't go ahead. Not sure what Bercow will base his decision on but if a 3rd vote will have the same outcome as the other 2 then it is a waste of time.
Talk now of something called Article 62 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties.
 
No chance Bercow doesn't allow it. The discretionary power isn't one thats intended to be used for business of this scale and they'll find an adjustment to put it to the house if neccesary.

I posted the relavent bit of Erskine a few pages ago, but the issue i think is more that the precedent is so old (because nobody has treated Parliament with as much contempt as May since) that it would seem arcane to invoke it.

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It is also pretty clear that it applies only to one session of Parliament though, and a new session is due to start in April. So if there was a short extension then she could bring it back after the new opening and try again.
 
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This is cretinous and desperate. Even if this was a thing that we could do, why on earth would we scorch-earth our relationship with the EU, the economic superpower on our doorstep? I can't believe serious people would consider such a stupid and dangerous idea.
 
ERG deputy chairman has just said that they will not support it.
There seems to be 4 factions to me
ERG/DUP who want to crash out
The cabinet who want May’s deal
Some Labour and Tories who want a softer brexit
The rest of labour and all the smaller parties who want to revoke article 50.
The thing is no one seems to be willing to compromise.
 


It's not new and it's totally irrelevant, the problem isn't legal but political. All treaties can be unilaterally broken, the issue is when you need to subsequently interact with the other side.
 
It's not new and it's totally irrelevant, the problem isn't legal but political. All treaties can be unilaterally broken, the issue is when you need to subsequently interact with the other side.
That, nevertheless, is legal assurance (albeit mad) isn't it? And that is what the headbangers want. Just tell them they can rip it all up if they want.
 


Cox already addressed this in his statement to the commons. He advised against using it for obvious reasons, perhaps he can add some wording in but it'll be in line with what he previously said and that doesn't seem to hold any sway.

Just Mogg thinking he's a fecking mastermind
 
Cox already addressed this in his statement to the commons. He advised against using it for obvious reasons, perhaps he can add some wording in but it'll be in line with what he previously said and that doesn't seem to hold any sway.

Just Mogg thinking he's a fecking mastermind

Or trying to justify a changeofmind ;)
 
That, nevertheless, is legal assurance (albeit mad) isn't it? And that is what the headbangers want. Just tell them they can rip it all up if they want.

No because it was never the subject nor the problem. What they want is to have no political responsibility, they want to be able to point the finger at someone when needed, in this case if Ireland or the EU accept the idea of an unilateral withdrawal, it gives the opportunity to claim that Ireland were totally okay with the idea of breaking the GFA.
 
No because it was never the subject nor the problem. What they want is to have no political responsibility, they want to be able to point the finger at someone when needed, in this case if Ireland or the EU accept the idea of an unilateral withdrawal, it gives the opportunity to claim that Ireland were totally okay with the idea of breaking the GFA.

Bingo, the DUP and the ERG both want rid of the GFA for different reasons but they don't want it to appear like it was the British that broke the agreement.
 
No because it was never the subject nor the problem. What they want is to have no political responsibility, they want to be able to point the finger at someone when needed, in this case if Ireland or the EU accept the idea of an unilateral withdrawal, it gives the opportunity to claim that Ireland were totally okay with the idea of breaking the GFA.
Sorry but I thought the context here was that if the UK felt that the WA was not being honored i.e. the EU were deliberately trying to prevent the UK from leaving with a FTA, then the UK could unilaterally leave because there had been a fundamental change in the basis of consent.
 
Sorry but I thought the context here was that if the UK felt that the WA was not being honored i.e. the EU were deliberately trying to prevent the UK from leaving with a FTA, then the UK could unilaterally leave because there had been a fundamental change in the basis of consent.

The UK don't need basis to leave unilaterally, that's the one thing that you need to keep in mind. From that point, ask yourself why they want to put a time limit on a backstop that initially didn't include GB and only included NI and ROI who both have an agreement that doesn't have time limit. Surely you see that something is wrong here?
To make it simple, GB can leave tomorrow and negotiate the FTA that they want with the EU while NI could join GB if they decide that they don't want the GFA. Ask yourself this question why are they talking about unilaterally leaving the backstop if the EU acted in bad faith when they could just avoid the entire thing by taking a decision right now?
 
If she brings back her deal for a 3rd time - it's an utter farce.

Not that it isn't already of course.
 


Wonder if we'll see more of this from celebrities as it gets closer.
 
Tusk is reportedly open to a 2 year extension. I hope this happens, then we can force a people's vote and put all the Brexit bullshit to bed.
 
Tusk is reportedly open to a 2 year extension. I hope this happens, then we can force a people's vote and put all the Brexit bullshit to bed.

From the FT:
Mr Tusk said he would “appeal to the EU27 to be open to a long extension if the UK finds it necessary to rethink its Brexit strategy and build consensus around it”

Sounds to me like hes alluding to us finding a way to cancel the whole thing.

The EU has repeatedly said they wont allow an extension if all we're going to do is continue to faff around along current lines.
 
Are Brexiters actually sure they really want sovereignty of their parliament.

I am not a Brexiteer but those who I know who are say that this is a key reason to vote leave.
It is a philosophical issue. A number of British people simply don't want to be ruled by anyone else. While they don't necessarily like their political leaders they at least feel they have some control via the GE.

This though is very much a generational view with younger people far less concerned about this.
 
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Sounds to me like hes alluding to us finding a way to cancel the whole thing.

The EU has repeatedly said they wont allow an extension if all we're going to do is continue to faff around along current lines.

Rightly so. Lets black ball brexit. It was a shit idea 2 years ago and has only proven itself to be a turd. The only reason either political party is entertaining it is because they don't want to risk losing a significant chunk of the votes of 17.4 million idiots to ukip or the other side.