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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Buster15 said:
What would be the reason for a second referendum. The situation is complicated enough already and extremely divisive.
Another leave vote wouldn't help and a remain vote would beg yet another vote.
Not necessary IMHO.
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I do agree on the fact it could be more divisive. But that can of worms has already been opened by David Cameron.

The only 3 realistic options I can see are.
-Hard Brexit (No Deal)
-Mays Deal
-Remain

Parliment cannot decide on which option so why not have these 3 options in a referendum?
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
I do agree on the fact it could be more divisive. But that can of worms has already been opened by David Cameron.

The only 3 realistic options I can see are.
-Hard Brexit (No Deal)
-Mays Deal
-Remain

Parliment cannot decide on which option so why not have these 3 options in a referendum?
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No deal has been rejected but is not legally binding yet.
Remain is not currently an option as the leave result was passed into law. Leave on 29/3.
So. Mrs May deal is the only option aside from delayed leave date.
 
Buster15 said:
Yes it is. Leaving the EU as a result of the referendum was passed into law.
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No it wasn't the house had to vote to enact Article 50. It was a vote in commons that means we are leaving the EU not the referendum. The referendum would have been meaningless with out Parliament voting.
 
Fully Fledged said:
No it wasn't the house had to vote to enact Article 50. It was a vote in commons that means we are leaving the EU not the referendum. The referendum would have been meaningless with out Parliament voting.
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OK split hairs if you want to.
 
Buster15 said:
What would be the reason for a second referendum. The situation is complicated enough already and extremely divisive.
Another leave vote wouldn't help and a remain vote would beg yet another vote.
Not necessary IMHO.
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FFS you repeating this over and over does not make it so...
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
I do agree on the fact it could be more divisive. But that can of worms has already been opened by David Cameron.

The only 3 realistic options I can see are.
-Hard Brexit (No Deal)
-Mays Deal
-Remain

Parliment cannot decide on which option so why not have these 3 options in a referendum?
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You’d have to have it as a two stage with Leave-Remain and then If Leave - Deal or No Deal. Otherwise it would split the Leave vote and they’d rightly raise hell.
 
Buster15 said:
Sorry for that. I was responding to previous posts but accept your point.

Maybe you should reprimand the PM as well. Doubt you will get an apology from her....
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She had her reasons for repeating it what are yours? I've made a few posts in this thread about why this arguement is utter bollocks and not one poster has challenged them...

Tired of hearing it tbh. Nothing personal...
 



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Buster15 said:
No deal has been rejected but is not legally binding yet.
Remain is not currently an option as the leave result was passed into law. Leave on 29/3.
So. Mrs May deal is the only option aside from delayed leave date.
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They've already spoken about a possible extension. If a referendum was agreed upon then the law could be changed accordingly.
 
Kentonio said:
You’d have to have it as a two stage with Leave-Remain and then If Leave - Deal or No Deal. Otherwise it would split the Leave vote and they’d rightly raise hell.
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Good point. Sounds reasonable to me.

All this talk of "will of the people" feels disingenuous. Especially considering it was such a fine margin and so much has changed in the last 2 years.
 
Brwned said:
You'll need to explain your understanding of what the intentions of the protest vote are before you can demonstrate why it didn't realise them. The few people I know who did put in a protest vote did not do it to take back control because they're acutely aware of the lack of control, influence or even worth that they have as citizens in this system. They just wanted other people to realise that too.

You just seem to be describing what you would've wanted the protest vote to represent, because at least it has a broader and more beneficial goal in mind. Lots of people don't think about the world that way.
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There were actually quite a few people who voted to leave as a thumb in the eye to the Tories for austerity. They knew they were mad and vented in the only way in which they could.
 
Kentonio said:
You’d have to have it as a two stage with Leave-Remain and then If Leave - Deal or No Deal. Otherwise it would split the Leave vote and they’d rightly raise hell.
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I reckon that would still cause tremendous arguments. We're talking about an electorate that is mostly only used to FPTP, introducing STV or a multi question referendum (which would be a great time to use the word referenda if
Drainy said:
There were actually quite a few people who voted to leave as a thumb in the eye to the Tories for austerity. They knew they were mad and vented in the only way in which they could.
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Which is, as you know, insane.
 
The danger with putting a no deal option in a second referendum is that a significant number of people fail to understand the question, thinking the “deal” is an addition to the status quo rather than a means of avoiding chaos while the UK transitions to being a fully non-EU country.
 
The media has been shit wrt informing the general public what this all means tbh.
 
afrocentricity said:
The media has been shit wrt informing the general public what this all means tbh.
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You are absolutely right.
I was listening to radio 5 debate on Brexit. There was a chap from the Midlands and his words were (not a direct quote) we should give two fingers to the EU and tell them to stick it. We should leave with no deal just to spite them.

When the reporter asked him whether he understood what no deal means he said - we will ok and if not we can do the same as we did in the war and dig up the garden and plant potatoes.

Make of that what you will but I am sure he is not alone in thinking that way.
 
Buster15 said:
You are absolutely right.
I was listening to radio 5 debate on Brexit. There was a chap from the Midlands and his words were (not a direct quote) we should give two fingers to the EU and tell them to stick it. We should leave with no deal just to spite them.

When the reporter asked him whether he understood what no deal means he said - we will ok and if not we can do the same as we did in the war and dig up the garden and plant potatoes.

Make of that what you will but I am sure he is not alone in thinking that way.
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The amount of times I've seen someone say some dumb shit (like you just highlighted) and not get challenged by others (for example the presenter, under the guise of being neutral). It helps nobody...
 
sun_tzu said:
So is may going to bottle mv3 before the EU summit?
Apparently they won't hold it unless the dup are onside... Which so far I don't think they are?
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The DUP must be feeling that they hold the keys to the kingdom. I can't see them capitulating easily, this is their big moment.
Buster15 said:
You are absolutely right.
I was listening to radio 5 debate on Brexit. There was a chap from the Midlands and his words were (not a direct quote) we should give two fingers to the EU and tell them to stick it. We should leave with no deal just to spite them.

When the reporter asked him whether he understood what no deal means he said - we will ok and if not we can do the same as we did in the war and dig up the garden and plant potatoes.

Make of that what you will but I am sure he is not alone in thinking that way.
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I wonder what all those folk who live in flats will do about the potato-planting. Ah well, there's always McDonalds.
 
Penna said:
The DUP must be feeling that they hold the keys to the kingdom. I can't see them capitulating easily, this is their big moment
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They don't have as much power as it seems, they'll back it when it comes down to the wire I think.

Like the ERG, their biggest fear is no Brexit and a Labour government, only for slightly different reasons: Corbyn and McDonnell are long time supporters of Irish Republicanism. They have a vested interest in keeping the Tories in power.
 
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