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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Coxy said:
Thank you Bercow, thank you.

Let's see where we go next!
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Now Mrs May will be arguing that there are significant changes, no doubt.

edit - Bercow just saying in response to Benn that there would have to be fundamental differences in substance (meaning changes agreed by the EU and the UK).
 
What a fecking legend. Brave man as he's going to have a lot of abuse coming his way over this.

My guess is they'll get Cox to write a new letter with amended legal advise and then argue it substantially changes matters.
 
Smores said:
What a fecking legend. Brave man as he's going to have a lot of abuse coming his way over this.

My guess is they'll get Cox to write a new letter with amended legal advise and then argue it substantially changes matters.
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That won't be good enough, based on what Bercow has just said.
 
Penna said:
That won't be good enough, based on what Bercow has just said.
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Indeed he seems to have just put the boot in. Extraordinary really.

Thinking it through this probably works out well for the government, they can now blame him when they may have never brought it forward anyway and certainly would have lost
 
What would May need to conceed to the EU in order to get an extension? Because unless she can weasel her deal through underhanded means then it is cliff-edge in 11 days
 
Part of me wonders if this us just an elaborate attempt to sabotage Brexit. They knew what was promised wasn't possible so they followed through on that false hope, relentlessly, just to show that they've heard the voice of the people but have been halted in their tracks by all these pesky laws and stuff. So now people are aware of just how badly it can go, they'll put it back to the public and accept the new will of the people, to stay in the EU.

The alternative reality seems too ridiculous to be true.
 
Brwned said:
Part of me wonders if this us just an elaborate attempt to sabotage Brexit. They knew what was promised wasn't possible so they followed through on that false hope, relentlessly, just to show that they've heard the voice of the people but have been halted in their tracks by all these pesky laws and stuff. So now people are aware of just how badly it can go, they'll put it back to the public and accept the new will of the people, to stay in the EU.

The alternative reality seems too ridiculous to be true.
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Nah, we just have a PM chasing a legacy and being forced in a certain direction by hard liners in her party and membership.

In normal circumstances our government would have changed tune when the first vote was defeated and we'd have attempted a soft brexit but we have a dogmatic PM.
 
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From the Twitters :lol:

Love Bercow. Best job in parliament, essentially telling annoying politicians to sit down and shut up while throwing the odd spanner into their misguided works.
 
Theresa May will pull the third vote on her Brexit deal if it has no “realistic prospect” of success and will move on to asking Brussels for a long delay to article 50 on Thursday, Downing Street has said.

No 10 suggested the prime minister still wanted parliament to have another vote on her deal on Tuesday or Wednesday, but it would go ahead only if she believed the Democratic Unionist party and more Conservative MPs were on board.
May’s official spokesman confirmed talks with the DUP had resumed on Monday morning but would not say who was involved in discussions or how they were going.

If the deal did not pass this week, he said, May would keep her promise to ask the EU on Thursday for a delay to Brexit beyond June, which would involve the UK participating in European parliamentary elections costing more than £100m. He refused to say exactly how many extra months of delay the UK would request.

The question now is whether May could carry on attempting to pass her withdrawal deal until the last minute before European elections get under way. One theory circulating among Conservative MPs is that the prime minister could request a longer delay with a “get-out clause” of a quicker Brexit if her deal passes before the EU elections.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/18/theresa-may-third-vote-brexit-deal-success

Of course, she may not even be allowed to put it before the House again, based on what Bercow has said.
 
A lot of talk about prorogation of Parliament in order to start a new session wherein the vote can be repeated. I expect May to do this, knowing it leaves just days before the 29th. She can get MPs to blink and vote for her deal.
 
Notice how they note that the European elections would cost more than £100M.

Totally ignoring how must this shit show has cost the tax payer and how much more it would cost the tax payer between now and the European elections.

Just hope that cnut Farage doesn't get in again.
 
We can only hope Italy, France or some other sensible country veto any extension.

Unless parliament already decided and votes something concrete.

Doesn't look like that will be the deal, but can't be sure of that whilst May is still PM...
 
horsechoker said:
A lot of talk about prorogation of Parliament in order to start a new session wherein the vote can be repeated. I expect May to do this, knowing it leaves just days before the 29th. She can get MPs to blink and vote for her deal.
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The Queen would probably refuse, given the circumstances.
 
James Cleverly, a Conservative, says if Bercow had made this ruling earlier, MPs might have realised that last week was their last chance to vote for the Brexit deal. They might have voted differently, he says.

Here's a suggestion, what if all the parties in parliament would stop playing party politics and put their country first .
 
Mb194dc said:
We can only hope Italy, France or some other sensible country veto any extension.

Unless parliament already decided and votes something concrete.

Doesn't look like that will be the deal, but can't be sure of that whilst May is still PM...
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The bill can't be amended if it's not going to a vote. So it's hard for parliament to vote on anything besides nonbinding motions, the law as it stands means we leave without a deal next week unless the government abandons its red lines and comes back with something different.
 
The erg must have a hard on for bercow right now... Without the deal coming back there is no opportunity to ammend it and of course parliment failed to get control of the process last week.
Looks like an accidental no deal is a real possibility right now.
Especially if the EU refuse an extension...
 
sun_tzu said:
The erg must have a hard on for bercow right now... Without the deal coming back there is no opportunity to ammend it and of course parliment failed to get control of the process last week.
Looks like an accidental no deal is a real possibility right now.
Especially if the EU refuse an extension...
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May has brought this on herself, she said if Parliament refused the deal then she would go to EU and request a long extension. Well the deal is good as dead so let's see if she will make good on that threat. Better that it gets killed now and not in a week when there is even less time. She delayed the vote several times and it got her nowhere.
 
sun_tzu said:
The erg must have a hard on for bercow right now... Without the deal coming back there is no opportunity to ammend it and of course parliment failed to get control of the process last week.
Looks like an accidental no deal is a real possibility right now.
Especially if the EU refuse an extension...
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I thought i remembered May saying she'll come back with a statement next week and that'll be amendable, she was hoping it'll be the deal but doesn't have to be.

Benn took it as a victory at the time.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
James Cleverly, a Conservative, says if Bercow had made this ruling earlier, MPs might have realised that last week was their last chance to vote for the Brexit deal. They might have voted differently, he says.

Here's a suggestion, what if all the parties in parliament would stop playing party politics and put their country first .
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Well that and shouldn't MP's actually understand parliamentary procedure about revoting on the same thing?
 
Sassy Colin said:
Notice how they note that the European elections would cost more than £100M.

Totally ignoring how must this shit show has cost the tax payer and how much more it would cost the tax payer between now and the European elections.

Just hope that cnut Farage doesn't get in again.
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£100m. That's like a piss drop in a cataclysm.

Last May, Bank of England boss Mark Carney told MPs that the cost of Brexit to the UK economy was already £40bn and counting.

Giving evidence to the Treasury Select Committee, Carney said the result of the 2016 EU referendum had already knocked 2% off the economy, leaving each UK household £900 worse off, on average, than they would have been had voters opted to remain in the bloc.

However, Carney has been accused repeatedly of promoting Project Fear, with Brexiteers claiming he is downplaying Britain's economic prospects. Yet a report published in September by the Centre for European Reform backs up Carney's fears. The think tank found that the UK economy was already 2.5% smaller than it would have been had Remain won the referendum - costing the public purse £26bn a year, or £500m a week.
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https://www.theweek.co.uk/93785/how-much-money-has-brexit-cost-the-uk
 
Article 50 can still be revoked by Parliament. If the EU somehow don't give us an extension, it's either revoke or no-deal.
 
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