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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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Isn't May correct though? Everybody is playing party politics here that has ground the process down to a halt.
Your parliament has very little comeback to that in my opinion.
It is bull, though. She hasn't got all of her own on side.
 
Well done, Theresa. :rolleyes:

Anna Soubry on TV saying the police have had advised her it's not safe to go home, she says she's not the only one, she is not going home this weekend, May stirred up a lot of anger up yesterday.
 
:lol:

Brexit is like a bloke trying to show off in front of the lads by farting really loudly, but he follows through and soils himself. With turds running down his legs, he tries to pretend that he knew he was going to follow through, and that’s exactly what he farted for.
 
so we only get an extension if we pass May's deal next week, right? But didn't matey in parliament say they couldn't have another vote on May's deal unless its significantly changed?
 
so we only get an extension if we pass May's deal next week, right? But didn't matey in parliament say they couldn't have another vote on May's deal unless its significantly changed?

I think the fact it will be tied to an extension will be enough to get it through to another vote. It doesn't matter though, the deal is dead. Any slim chance she had of getting it through she killed last night with her speech.

So I'd assume it's a longer delay and the resignation of the PM?
 
Sounds like the EU are debating giving a very short unconditional extension or a slightly longer conditional one.
 
so we only get an extension if we pass May's deal next week, right? But didn't matey in parliament say they couldn't have another vote on May's deal unless its significantly changed?
There are ways round that in parliment I think... Eg if MP's vote to overule the speaker .. and if there is enough to overrule there is probably enough to pass it
 
Sounds like the EU are debating giving a very short unconditional extension or a slightly longer conditional one.

Yup, it seems that the initial reports were true, France at the least do not want an extension at all but is willing to compromise for something very short. If I'm not mistaken Austria and Denmark are the ones that want a longer extension while the others are silent.
 
This is not democracy.
It is, when you break it down chief.

Democracy

Demo - short for demonstration
C - short for see, to look
Racy - something that is sexually titillating

Therefore, democracy is short for "a demonstration at watching a country get fecked hard".
 
It is, when you break it down chief.

Democracy

Demo - short for demonstration
C - short for see, to look
Racy - something that is sexually titillating

Therefore, democracy is short for "a demonstration at watching a country get fecked hard".

It's Jamaican for "those people are nuts"
 
A million people think responding to our Prime Minister's appalling tactics of trying to turn the public, who she's of course on the side off, require immediate clarification. She's played a very dangerous card in a very volatile situation.
I doubt it makes a difference, but a million signatures in 24 hours is at least a howl of protest against these self serving and self aggrandising bastards.
 
What kind of plan should be expected beyond putting a negotiating team together, triggering art. 50 and beginning the negotiations? I think we're reaching a bit here.



Far from it. I was talking from the narrow perspective of handling the Brexit/EU situation.

David Cameron did none of those things though did he. Those things were done by his successor.
As soon as the result was known he resigned leaving others to do those things.

I am talking about proper planning which includes rigorous risk assessments and contingency management.
Any business worth its salt knows exactly how to manage risk.
 
Yup, it seems that the initial reports were true, France at the least do not want an extension at all but is willing to compromise for something very short. If I'm not mistaken Austria and Denmark are the ones that want a longer extension while the others are silent.

7th may and it will be stated if no EU election the UK can't extend again...
If that's true may will have succeeded in the binary options of her deal or no deal she wanted
Assuming there isn't a majority for recind a50
 
7th may and it will be stated if no EU election the UK can't extend again...
If that's true may will have succeeded in the binary options of her deal or no deal she wanted
Assuming there isn't a majority for recind a50
There isn't a majority to revoke A50. We're ultra fecked.
 
That article is a little unfair though, isn't it?
She has refused to rule out no deal despite the fact that, again, the House of Commons voted for such a move twice.
She can't rule out No Deal. How could she? It's the default position: that is what will happen unless a deal is accepted or Article 50 is revoked. May cannot do either of those things without Parliament's approval. How do they expect her to rule out no deal? Say that it won't happen? It's not up to her at this point actually.
Her spokesman explains this by saying she is frustrated with parliament's "inability to take a decision".

The truth is it has, repeatedly on all manner of things - they're just not decisions to her liking.
But it is true that Parliament has only decided AGAINST things. We know what isn't acceptable to the current House of Commons. We have no clue what is it they would accept.
 
That article is a little unfair though, isn't it?

She can't rule out No Deal. How could she? It's the default position: that is what will happen unless a deal is accepted or Article 50 is revoked. May cannot do either of those things without Parliament's approval. How do they expect her to rule out no deal? Say that it won't happen? It's not up to her at this point actually.

But it is true that Parliament has only decided AGAINST things. We know what isn't acceptable to the current House of Commons. We have no clue what is it they would accept.
That is because the PM in an entirely authoritarian manner took no counsel from Parliament and offered a series of proposals guided by "red lines" no one agreed to.

They voted to rule out no deal in the hope that May will prevent the law from kicking in and hoping, despite her flagrant disregard for Parliament so far, that she follows the will of the house because all she gave them was a deal that there was no view of as it was built, with no consultation that didn't work for the House.

She will not listen. She never has. She created her deal or no deal. Her leadership is the opposite of the cross party diplomacy that was needed and it has been thus for the whole of her Prime Ministership.

She has been the enemy of Parliament, a poor diplomat and pig headed leader. History will not remember her well.
 
A million people think responding to our Prime Minister's appalling tactics of trying to turn the public, who she's of course on the side off, require immediate clarification. She's played a very dangerous card in a very volatile situation.
I doubt it makes a difference, but a million signatures in 24 hours is at least a howl of protest against these self serving and self aggrandising bastards.

A lot of people have been impressed by Mrs May doggedness and I was initially one of those.

However, what is very evident is that while she is the PM, she is not free to make all the decisions on her own and ignore the HoC votes and rules.

She has isolated herself, made terrible decisions, completely failed to get cross party consensus and is now blaming every one else for her stunning mismanagement of the whole Brexit process.

I initially felt a little sorry for her.
Not any more. Her incompetence is being laid bare.

The wheels have absolutely come off and she is flailing around being driven uncontrollably by events.
 
That article is a little unfair though, isn't it?

She can't rule out No Deal. How could she? It's the default position: that is what will happen unless a deal is accepted or Article 50 is revoked. May cannot do either of those things without Parliament's approval. How do they expect her to rule out no deal? Say that it won't happen? It's not up to her at this point actually.

But it is true that Parliament has only decided AGAINST things. We know what isn't acceptable to the current House of Commons. We have no clue what is it they would accept.

She hasn't asked them what they would accept. We know what they'd accept though. Add a second referendum on to her deal and she'd get the lib dems, snp and more than enough labour MP's to offset the ERG and DUP. Or she could add the Custom Union on to her current deal and she'd have the labour party on board. Its really, really easy for her to get enough support to get her WA through.
I think shes actively pushing for a no deal brexit and has been for some time at this stage.
 
That article is a little unfair though, isn't it?

She can't rule out No Deal. How could she? It's the default position: that is what will happen unless a deal is accepted or Article 50 is revoked. May cannot do either of those things without Parliament's approval. How do they expect her to rule out no deal? Say that it won't happen? It's not up to her at this point actually.

But it is true that Parliament has only decided AGAINST things. We know what isn't acceptable to the current House of Commons. We have no clue what is it they would accept.
A lot of which is her causing. She went off and did her own thing without consulting others only to bang the same drum for months even though it was clear MPs were against it and nothing has changed.
 
That is because the PM in an entirely authoritarian manner took no counsel from Parliament and offered a series of proposals guided by "red lines" no one agreed to.

They voted to rule out no deal in the hope that May will prevent the law from kicking in and hoping, despite her flagrant disregard for Parliament so far, that she follows the will of the house because all she gave them was a deal that there was no view of as it was built, with no consultation that didn't work for the House.

She will not listen. She never has. She created her deal or no deal. Her leadership is the opposite of the cross party diplomacy that was needed and it has been thus for the whole of her Prime Ministership.

She has been the enemy of Parliament, a poor diplomat and pig headed leader. History will not remember her well.
This is a great summary.
 
Very unfortunately. Their voter base is that thick, the DUPers just have to bleat on about keeping “them uns” (Catholics) out and about how the big bad Sinn Fein monster will destroy their way of life.
Tbf DUP and SF are equally as bad as each other - just polar opposite views. Bunch of gobshites
 
I think the fact it will be tied to an extension will be enough to get it through to another vote. It doesn't matter though, the deal is dead. Any slim chance she had of getting it through she killed last night with her speech.

So I'd assume it's a longer delay and the resignation of the PM?

but haven't they said we only get an extension if it passes? Or have I got that wrong?
 
I fear the worst outcome out of the shenanigans is an anti-establishment leader for the UK in the form of Trump.
 
Tbf DUP and SF are equally as bad as each other - just polar opposite views. Bunch of gobshites
In our defence, some of us spend our days screaming about the alternatives. And not just middle of the road either. Nationalists and unionists both have great choices in SDLP and UUP that they won't vote for in meaningful numbers.
 
In our defence, some of us spend our days screaming about the alternatives. And not just middle of the road either. Nationalists and unionists both have great choices in SDLP and UUP that they won't vote for in meaningful numbers.

Is there an obvious reason for that outside of tradition?
 
It's going to be Johnson isn't it and he's going to be so busy rimming trump he's basically going to let mogg run the shitshow
I thought being eaten by a giant spider with mini sucking arseholes for fangs was my biggest fear, but apparently not.
 
Tbf DUP and SF are equally as bad as each other - just polar opposite views. Bunch of gobshites

Have to disagree on that one GB. DUP have even been telling their farmer vote base to stfu even though they have been protesting a no deal brexit and defending the backstop. This false equivalency nonsense doesnt fly anymore sorry!
 
Is there an obvious reason for that outside of tradition?
It's not even tradition, SLDP and UUP used to be the dominant parties here. But Sinn Fein and DUP have somehow both managed to simultaneously move into the the centre ground taking the moderate vote and whip up the eejits on both ends of the spectrum too. It would be impressive if it wasn't crippling us.