And there's no parliamentary majority for:
no deal
May's deal
2nd vote
revoking A50
Ironically the only thing that might have been pushed through parliament is Corbyn's Norway-style formula, but he's not in power, so...
Brexited | the worst threads live the longest
- Thread starter Silva
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
And there's no parliamentary majority for:
no deal
May's deal
2nd vote
revoking A50
Ironically the only thing that might have been pushed through parliament is Corbyn's Norway-style formula, but he's not in power, so...
I see No-deal as the best case scenario now.
Even if May's deal goes through, she is going to resign and whoever is going to take her position, will screw up the negotiations over the next two years and it will be again a clusterfeck, without even considering the Irish border problem, which supposedly can be fixed through some mythical technology.
Even if May's deal goes through, she is going to resign and whoever is going to take her position, will screw up the negotiations over the next two years and it will be again a clusterfeck, without even considering the Irish border problem, which supposedly can be fixed through some mythical technology.
This makes no sense. How is it?
FFSGuardian said:
So it's better to just not have further negotiations, screwing the economy even more and costing lots of people their jobs, while still not fixing the Irish border problem?
No deal seems the most likely outcome
Two years with some chance, however small, is better than no chance, which is no deal.
I know someone who voted Remain in the referendum and now will have his business affected by a no deal. Yet when it came to 2017 election he voted, yep you guessed it Tory.
And yes he completely blames Corbyn for the mess we are in.
The withdrawal agreement is just a transition phase, everything has to be negotiated over the next two years. The uncertainty is what is hurting businesses and forcing them to move.
No-deal could lead to two possibilities.
1) The economy tanks, people unrest leading to joining the EU again.
2) somehow they negotiate some deal and the economy doesn't tank and people move on with their lives.
As I said, the uncertainty is the main issue here. May's deal is not going to make it any better.
I know someone who voted Remain in the referendum and now will have his business affected by a no deal. Yet when it came to 2017 election he voted..... yep you guessed it Tory.
And yes he completely blames Corbyn for the mess we are in.
Tory voter refusing to accept reality shocker. I'm shocked.
And the bastxxxs are using all the noise about Brexit to cover up a very nasty increase in Probate charges.
And don't think that this will only affect the 'rich'.
Anyone who owns a house or who owns half of the house with your spouse owning the other half will be adversely affected with costs running into thousands of pounds.
Probate was a fixed charge. Now there is a sliding charge that has to be paid before probate is granted.
This despicable government has made this change by calling the new probate charges a FEE when in fact it is a TAX increase. By calling it a fee it did not require parliamentary approval.
Bastxxxs.
And don't think that this will only affect the 'rich'.
Anyone who owns a house or who owns half of the house with your spouse owning the other half will be adversely affected with costs running into thousands of pounds.
Probate was a fixed charge. Now there is a sliding charge that has to be paid before probate is granted.
This despicable government has made this change by calling the new probate charges a FEE when in fact it is a TAX increase. By calling it a fee it did not require parliamentary approval.
Bastxxxs.
I'll be honest, I'm dumbfounded. From what you guys have to say about both parties and the way they act, voting for them makes no sense.
This won't happen though. Not in the immediate future because the far right wont accept it. Both the General Public and the MPs who supported Brexit (who will be making a pretty penny from it all). Once we're out, we're out and we'll be living with the consequences for a while imo.
I only found out today that ERG stands for European Research Group.
I was sure it'd be something like English Royalist Group or some daft empire slogan.
I was sure it'd be something like English Royalist Group or some daft empire slogan.
How so? Neither of them are trustworthy for different reasons.
You know SF could play a blinder here and take their seats in London to vote on the biggest issue in UKs recent history. Could fcuk up the UK for years without doing anything other than vote
You’re wrong: it stands for Elitist Robbing Gobshites
I was thinking about that as well. This would be a historic time for them to take the seats finally, but I don't see how 7 votes are going to help any case.
Surely, the reason the uncertainty is so crippling is because one of the possible outcomes is no deal?
Preferring no deal over uncertainty is somewhat like preferring death over an uncertain prognosis.
In short: because if we don't vote for us ones, themmuns will definitely vote for themmuns (can't have that).
It's a narrow-minded voting system but it's very real. Put it this way, I wouldn't bank on any person who votes for either DUP or Sinn Fein buying into their political agenda beyond being a stick to beat the other with.
Meanwhile our economy, schools, hospitals etc go without a care because this is who we're left with.
Both of them need to feck off.
Not from Northern Ireland so could be wrong but my guess is that things in the current state are a delicate balance. Neither side is comfortable going an inch further so they elect intractable, fanatics who wont move. It just seems kind of defensive.
Thats my interpretation
I don't believe so. Say, if the instructions were clear from Day 1 that it was going to be a no deal, there would have been preparations in place now.
I would prefer a soft brexit/no brexit at all, but the parliament has been so callous and incompetent, which makes me think that we are never going to get a deal which the majority likes and the negotiations keep prolonging the inevitable.
Jo Cox was the first.
Surely the best outcome now from a business perspective would be the UK unilaterally revoking A50 and cancelling Brexit this week. No more uncertainty and none of the chaos of a no deal crash out?
That's arguable I guess. But as of now, we are not really prepared for it, which is why no deal looks like worst case scenario. I mean, for example, the threat of supply chains grinding to a halt in the next few weeks is bad for Business; but it is surely not as bad as the actuality of it, is it?
Yes. But that's not happening. I am sorry, people expecting a second referendum or another GE to make this better are living in fantasy land.
I think that's the first time I've said that but if you want to close the thread then ask the mods. What's the point. Jesus.
Every scenario except no brexit is worst case scenario. To me, No deal is the better than another round of negotiations, and we end up with the same position every three months.
So it's not really that you think crashing out with no deal is the "best case scenario", as you originally said. It's just that you think it is inevitable.
Good post. Staggeringly poor leadership.
I mean as far as she's concerned he has completed her task in getting the WA with her red lines. What happens next is incidental. Not saying she's right.
I’ll be honest, I’m completely biased here but only one of these parties is an anti-gay, racist and xenophobic bunch of lunatics who amongst other scandals cost the public purse hundreds of millions in a fecking scheme for protestant farmers to heat empty chicken houses.
Sinn Fein are far from perfect, but I can only speak from experience, any of the local elected officals were I am are absolute gentlemen who couldn’t do enough for constituents in my experience.
In short, there’s no comparison between the two.
That's obvious. Sinn Fein are scum.
God help us if that’s the bar we’re setting for worthwhile posting on redcafe. You’d have to delete most of the threads in the football forum. You should start with the Messi vs Ronaldo one.
But apparently MP’s can tell him to pipe down if a majority are going to back the deal.
Surely there will be if it comes down to that or no deal. Surely....
A part of me hopes we just leave on the 29th March and be done with it, even if it is no deal. Deal with the fallout however bad it may be and then focus on the campaign to rejoin the EU at whatever point in the future