Good point.
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Good point.
I believe the government has to bring an amendable statement on either monday or tuesday to the house...
gut feel if they dont bring the vote by then they will loose control of the process and MP's will try to force a vote on her deal
If not then in theory they can push the vote back till april 11th I presume
Over 3 million now.
perhaps if they cab get it to 18 million it will be hard to ingore... till then I expect the normal 17.4 million people voted for brexit... and brexit means brexit etc
If there's a general election before any settlement then the fights in the Tory party will be absolutely stupendous. And Labour will have to put something other than a blank page in their manifesto. Fudge anyone? I do feel guilty though, I'm starting to look on it all as pure entertainment rather than a matter of right and wrong.
Farage discounted it on Sky News this morning as russian interference, i chuckled.
He also said the vast majority of the country want no deal. Must have judged it by asking people on his 'march'
He said a lot of the signatures of the petition were from Russia, at the time he said that it was 28 out 2.5 million although I guess 28 does seem like a lot of people when compared to his march.
To be fair I get the sense - backed up by absolutely no evidence Ill admit - that a not insignificant number of people in this country do either want, or are absolutely willing to accept, a no deal Brexit.
I dont think there is a majority but for sure sure there is a significant %
i dont know if anybody else saw the story recently but a mayor in a small US town was forced to stand down due to a finance scandle...
they held a 2 part referendum...
Part 1 ... should the mayor stand down yes or no
and something like 65% said he should go and 35% said he should stay
Part 2 ... who should be the new mayor if he goes
there was about 6 candidates and one was the existing mayor... he got 35% and won the election
I think no deal would get a lot of support in a public referendum... not 50% but depending how it was structured that could be enough for the minority to drag everybody with them
That would be super easy. Apart from all the lost jobs and deaths. But who cares about that?
Agreed @sun_tzu, its not a majority, but its a lot of people nonetheless. Enough to be very well placed if it ever comes back to a public vote. I think a lot of the people who dont actively want it, but are willing to accept it, can be won round to voting for it. The media will portray any other outcome than no deal as tantamount to being the EU's bitch.
That would be solving one problem and creating potentially a bigger one.
I personally don't think Northern Ireland is ready Economically, Politically or Culturally to join a United Ireland. I think in an ideal world there needs to be a few generations between the Troubles and any reunification.
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So now Russia wants UK in the EU?
Do you think it would make any difference if she’s overthrown? Who could come in and sort this out? The only sensible option is revoke but what potential new leader would have the inclination or balls to try that?
If he bothered to have someone look at the data, he should have said "it's the French!!".
10,563 people voted from France in the Petition, 5957 from Spain, 4669 from Germany, 28 from Russia. Given the amount of Brits that are currently abroad I don't even think the numbers overly matter all that much, unless we're saying people who are currently abroad aren't allowed to vote in a petition like this. It's a dumb argument by a half wit turd.
Wouldn't be a big surprise actually. The whole Brexit mess proved to be a moderating influence on most Eurosceptics in the EU, and the EU's popularity actually grew outside the UK. Brexit, as things stand now, does not seem to be the "beginning of the end" for the union, rather it's a unifying force.
It's not inconceivable that in the light of all this, Russia would now prefer having Farage back in the EP.
He's not got a great track record when it comes to facts and/or numbers
More demonstration of the fraudulent referendum and how everyone seems to be wanting to bury this and not do anything about it. On top of this, Aaron Banks still under investigation by the National Crime Agency
This is Wigmore's and Bank's responses:
They do not give a crap about the people, when will everyone get that through their thick heads.
This is Wigmore's and Bank's responses:
They do not give a crap about the people, when will everyone get that through their thick heads.
On Question Time last night, one of the audience said that we should just leave without a deal and there was a big round of applause. Fiona Bruce then pointed out that, though it might have sounded like a lot of people, actually only a few were clapping.
A very loud and vocal minority.
Its a good point, though I dont know how representative a QT audience is. I think it would skew towards educated people, and old people who cant read probably wouldnt be able to find their way in.
As I said, I have no stats, no hard evidence. And as you suggest, a minority can make a lot of noise. But I dont think this group is as small as the absurdity of the proposition they support deserves.
Its a good point, though I dont know how representative a QT audience is. I think it would skew towards educated people, and old people who cant read probably wouldnt be able to find their way in.
As I said, I have no stats, no hard evidence. And as you suggest, a minority can make a lot of noise. But I dont think this group is as small as the absurdity of the proposition they support deserves.
Didn't know Mark Corrigan was involved
not anybody likley to win the tory leadership.... jonson, gove... POP... they will give brexit a shot of viagra nd make it the hardest brexit it can possibly be
I’d love to see that petition hit 17.5 million, just to see what would actually happen. I wonder if it would stop May repeating “will of the British people” every time she draws breath.
This is my problem with every single vox pop you see on the news where they go out into a random town centre and make it look like everyone is furiously pro Brexit. No, you're jus speaking to a bunch of retired old folk whilst everyone else is cracking on at work.
Thing is, if the question of leaving with no deal had been put to these people at the time of the referendum it would have been a much smaller majority. May's incompetence and the likes of Farage and the ERG continuing to go on about how a no deal brexit will be fine continues to make people want to "get on with it"
Javid, Hunt and Lidington were all remainers. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of one of them replacing her.
Yep. Pensioners and people in jobs with with no 'direct' relationship to the EU. Most of the angry, 'we have been betrayed' people that ring up Ferrari and Farage on LBC are in white van trades, retail, services etc. Very few in manufacturing or export/import related jobs. They, mistakenly, are under the impression that they can indulge their Land of Hope and Glory nostalgia by voting Brexit and that it will have zero effect on their livelihoods.
Funnily enough the disaffected people that voted leave due to a warped and heavily influenced view on immigration are not so vocal. I think they are coming to realise that they will be the losers in all this and as far as immigration is concerned they have merely exchanged Europeans for Asians.
Look at this shit. This prick is feeling “really no dealy” because Teresa May didn’t get invited to dinner. This is what we’re dealing with. Wankers who think no deal is a threat they can hold over the EU. It’s also incredibly immature. Gammons behaving like petulant children. Vile half-wits, the lot of them.
Over 3000000 Russians think government listens to petitions
I know, and the 'they want their £39 billion' thing. Like that's a real concern for the EU - a continent with a GDP of £15,000 billion
This is what I was referring to earlier about us looking like the EU's bitch. The optics of this play right into the hands of no deal brexiters.
Don't think Russia wants the UK still in the EU..
Tried to get a doctors appointment today. Can't get one for the next two weeks. Two of the GPs in the local practice were Romanian and both have gone... So Brexit fecking with my health now. And, yep, I live in a Tory area, which is full of older people (partially why GPs are always busy) and was majority leave.
See above , I asked exactly that
Something like this is long overdue. Revocation please.
And in the usual fashion, none of these will pass.
Whatever gets the most support becomes the new direction? It'd still need to pass the house at some point i guess but that should be the starting point